Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

Sure but notice all those you mentioned were from European time zones. Those few of us in the Southern Hemisphere suffer from 2 things, low users and inability to access the transfer market. (...) The transfer market option is not possible for us period.

Let's check if it's true or is it just an excuse (money in PLN, 4m PLN = 1m euro)

Bolivia 17 users
Deportivo Motoyoé = +428m
Destroyer = +544m

small country, bad timezone etc.

compare that to the top 3 in Australia:

Achmids Soul -46m
Chelsea -254m
Ukmerges -386m

Look at what people are training in Australia. Mostly worthless players bought for 1-50 thousand. You can't make money like that and can't expect the game to "give more money from sponsors" because they don't want to train properly and make the money themselves.

Players go down in a window from 8AM sokker time to 12PM at least, that's a 14h window of transfer for selling and buying

Let's talk about the chaos that will happen in minutes:

1) either the update is made during cup matches and matches are posponed, triggering the anger of several users, or
2) no update occurs today, so cup matches and friendlies are played without the update, so if the update occurs tomorrow several users will argue they didnt plan for the new system because the update never happened, or
3) the update is moved 1 more week, triggering the anger of all users because they planned cup matches/friendlies for the new system.

Users anger is like a drug for devs. They cant live without it.

Yeah, ridiculous.
No idea why they decided to what with the update for today instead of starting it yesterday.

Should I reconfigure my set-up for today's match?
Or should I keep some mids on ATT order?

New training system will be launched today, so if playing your mids with att order today fits new training rules, you should keep your setup.

Ok, thanks

Ridiculous discussion over small and big countries...

We're not talking about sponsors income my gosh... Guys put it to your head that in Poland you have a 6th tier league full of human teams, does it now ring a bell?? Meaning you earn much more money from tickets.. Come-on ridiculous examples of sponsorships trading etc... Yeah with trading you can get more money but tell me the income difference for a small nation club playing against bot teams... What's the difference there? You still need to pay salaries from the beginning as well to afford coaches to make your first millions. Ridiculous to read these examples of Luxemburg etc.. Let's talk about fan club and ticketing income.. And I bet there is a big difference there if you play against human teams or bots. End of the story.

If spobsorship is based on team ranks which affects whole league it should be a bit rebuild.
1600 rankingu points should be a minimum and weak teams even bot teams shouldnt be able to get Under that 1600 points or other constant value.
Sponsorship could be also counted based on rank of top3 teams in league.
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You're talking about different thing, you're talking about a completely new team in lowest league (which sucks also in Poland, Mikoos already said how 'much' her earned in 6th). Changing bots to have higher fan club/rank would be a good start, I agree.

But now we're talking about being in top league of a country, completely different story.
You for example already have MUCH better transfer balance than top teams from Australia even though they are playing for years longer than you.

You're talking about different thing, you're talking about a completely new team in lowest league (which sucks also in Poland, Mikoos already said how 'much' her earned in 6th). Changing bots to have higher fan club/rank would be a good start, I agree.

I was only talking about that, and honestly i am glad we agree here.

Second part of your message, i have not complained about being in top league Completely different story + Cup + champions cup + league, etc it's a complete different approach already.

And that is because Australians have the best transfer time between 3AM and 6AM local time...so if you want to have a decent chance of buying a decent player, you need to wake up in the middle of the night...

Like I said earlier...
Fill the higher leagues with better bot teams, as long as the number of real teams is lower than 60 (1 full 1st + 3 full 2nd divisions)
Remove the limiter for bot teams in the ranking, so sponsors and attendance really see the bot team as a worthy adversary and thus income is increased.
I know, improving bots is not a good idea in the long run, but doing nothing is worse! I feel this as a good middle way solution.

Maybe... time tiers for locations is also a good solution for improving the transfer market...

So...Tier 1 = Europe / Africa = between 4 PM and 12 PM Poland time
Tier 2 = America = between 4 PM and 12 PM New York time
Tier 3 = Asia / Australia = between 4 PM and 12 PM Beijing time

These 3 Tiers cover 24 hours in different time zones, so they can cover the entire world time zones!
Each country will fall in it's own Tier and players for sale will also only being able to be sold in those Tiers time set-up.
Yes...Tier 1 will be by far the best Tier to sell players in, but the other Tiers will be far better to buy players in!
So in the end, Asian and Australian players will be cheaper, thus better teams in Asia and Australia will have far cheaper players to form higher rating teams with.

Guys put it to your head that in Poland you have a 6th tier league full of human teams, does it now ring a bell??

No we don't, about half of the teams in 6th tier are human teams (unless that means it's "full"), and it will be much worse after this season if they clear bots in higher leagues (as they plan to do). I got total 1.4M euro from league tickets last season when I was in 6th tier league, is that a lot? Tabby (from two pages ago, who started this discussion) had 108k total spectators in his matches last season in 2nd division, I guess that means he had a bit less money from tickets than me, I don't know his prices last season but I would guess he got about 1M euro from tickets. Meanwhile I had to pay much higher wages to players to win my league, as my non-bot opponents were much stronger, so I didn't really gain anything.

But I didn't care that much about sponsorship or ticket money or player wages, because being in plus in weekly balance is not the main source of "increasing a total value of my club". I got total 9.8M euro from sponsors + fan club + tickets in these 3 seasons I have my club (and of course almost all of that went for weekly expenses). On the other hand I'm 4.3M euro in plus from all transfers (after all the taxes) and if I wanted I could sell my squad for about 15-20M euro I think. It means that training was about 2.5 times more important to me than all the sponsors and tickets money. And I'm not a trader, I sold only 5 players for over 250k euro, players that I trained from being worth almost nothing.

And I wasn't even that efficient with my training lately, I was a bit lazy to replace some of my young players that are not as good for training as they could be. I'm sure someone could do much better than me.

You still need to pay salaries from the beginning as well to afford coaches to make your first millions.
In the first weeks of my team i had 47k-59k euro from sponsors, my first league match gave me 15k euro from tickets, friendly matches were better income than that. I don't think that start is easier in Poland :) Even if now we have a bit more human teams in 6th division it's still not a great experience in the start, sponsors don't pay that much more and even if you play human team at home it's not like you can collect incredible money on a default size stadium...

training percentages have been reduced this evening on https://sokker.org/pl/app/training/training-setup/ !

Actually friendlies % were already reduced on Wednesday evening.

I couldn't see it before the friendly game this evening !

No one promised that the efficiencies from the "test week" will stay :)

And it's not that much, only 5% points in advanced training, trust me it could be much worse ;)