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But dev wrote that can train only 10 players in pace, will pace trainink same like other skill, but not.

Devs didn't write that speed of pace training will be like other skills after the reform. I think you misunderstood something. Unless I don't understand you and you mean something else :P


Let's analyze Napieralski:
1. There is a bug with Sokker Asistente, after updating it changes previous training value to higher one, as you can see SA says he had 99 in previous 3 trainings, it should be 97, like in your last training.
2. If you add 75+97+97+97 = 366, this number is lower than expected 374 training points needed for level [12]. His training to [11] shows 289/342, which means that most likely he didn't get many points over [11] in his last training to that level.
3. Sokker Asistente overvalues current training. We already know that current "96% efficiency" from one official match is worse than "90% training" from before the reform, there were cases confirming it on the 1st week of the training reform (when in the morning you could see training results from old training, and for some players old training gave pop in skill and then new training didn't). Value of current training should be scaled down in Sokker Asistente, so in reality your player at best got maybe 75+88+88+88 = 339 points in the first four trainings on [11] level which is much lower than 374 points required for next level.

It's not a question of "is it slower?", more like "how much slower it is?". And it's not only about pace, I think every skill progress was hit the same with the reform.

Król case looks a bit worse, but there are things that can explain it:
- his "max" talent 3,23 is calculated from his passing training. There is a lot of friendly only trainings there, and friendly was undervalued by Sokker Asistente before the reform. Raul said it was 80% for friendly and 91% for official match. Change friendly values manually to 80 and look how his "max possible talent" will go up
- same thing as with Napieralski in the last few weeks - 97 points from last pace training is not realistic, and his previous 3 general trainings probably gave him 10 points each when they should give 9 points

Ponican data looks very weird
- his talent calculations are impossible, so his data must be wrong somewhere, did you update every week?
- weird that he got to incredible with 541 points, and then he only needed 458 points to brilliant. His data looks too unreliable to me to draw any conclusions.

Anyway: Sokker Asistente is a great tool, but it's not an oracle, it only estimates training gains. Sometimes it's better, sometimes worse.
And we really need more weeks of trainings to see the whole picture about the new training :)

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I find it strange why there is not 11 advanced training, but i bet you everyone wants +5-12 more

the medium average is 5.5 [11-22] there are 5 subs in Real Life games

I think there should be 14 or 15 players in advanced training, or there will be a serious shortage of trained players, I think this should be put to a vote
But if a lack of top quality players in the transfer market is what they want then maybe 14 would be about right
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Simple, slow training = boring game

of course. i know. I analysed it too.

final result is training is slower in new system and can see it 3 young players and need +2 more training like needed to pop previous skill.

Ponican

i do not understand his talent prediction....If you see other players that his prediction ok and i do not understand why ponican have good pops in tech, def, pm, but bad in pace.

but ponican is in my team from 17y and maybe this time lost SA 7-8 weeks data so it could be problem...

But dev wrote that can train only 10 players in pace, will pace trainink same like other skill, but not.

Devs didn't write that speed of pace training will be like other skills after the reform. I think you misunderstood something. Unless I don't understand you and you mean something else :P

you understood it right. Raul wrote it like some idea in start.

no, there was never any intention to make pace train like other skills

all they said was that pace (stamina, technique, passing) will train same with every formation
so no difference if you train pace with DEF or ATT order

Raul wrote it like some idea in start.

I don't believe Raul would ever write that, knowing his opinions about training :)

Ponican

i do not understand his talent prediction....

but ponican is in my team from 17y and maybe this time lost SA 7-8 weeks data so it could be problem...

Yeah, most likely his data at younger age is wrong, if you show me screenshot with his data from age 17-18 I could tell you were it's coming from. Trainings are probably assigned to wrong skills, so SA probably thinks he popped from small ammounts of general trainings in something (and it calculated crazy low max talent from that), but he didn't pop in something from many normal trainings (and it calculated crazy high min talent from that).
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i do not understand why ponican have good pops in tech, def, pm, but bad in pace.

There are multiple things that affect his current pace pop:
- it's at much higher level than other skills
- he is older than when he was training other skills (this alone make his current pop requiring ~20% more training than his previous pop in pace, as it's 1,094 multiplier for a level higher and 1,094 multiplier for age higher, together 1,094 * 1,094 = 1,1968 -> 19.68% more training required)
- pace is slower in training than other skills
- training is slowed down and SA doesn't reflect it correctly, so last 4 trainings are overvalued

All these things work as a "bad" multipliers for him.

i sent pm.... it is spam already.
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Someone who is working will the developers be doing, there is a lot of silence or so I think, I understand that they do not want to give any date on any improvement but does anyone know what the next improvement to implement is, or will they be in corrections of the new training system?

They promise improve youth school (they should've instead correct training system to allow players increase faster, imho).

Isn't this game supposed to be equal for everyone? Why is the weather always rainy in my home matches, but it is sunny in my opponent's home matches? I checked it, the weather was good 3 times in 9 home matches, it was rainy 6 times, and the opposite was true for my opponent. why where is equality?

Weather is also completely random...
Just like the outcome of your match, the amount and harshness of injuries, cards, form.

I checked your league matches from this and last season and compared with my own games. The result was exactly the same:

Last season: 3 rainy days out of 11 home games.
This season 4 rainy days out of 8 home games (with 3 home games still remaining).

So yeah, somewhat random. And definitely not always rainy :o)

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I've said it before. The player who entered today with an injury for 8 days looks slightly injured today and it looks like he has trained on the graphics, please fix this error.
Gencal kelek yesterday injured 8 days look pictures pls







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