Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

A disaster the decision of the training to the NT, now it does not make sense to play U20 since the youths are not prepared

The solution is that the injuries remain and that the player receives training as an official game, who does not like that his youth plays in the selection that sells him, many players like that they do play.

Its a punch against small U21 teams.

They started the project 3 years ago, had a lot of time to think about the consequences of the changes they planned to do, especially with all the feedbacks we all provided in the forum... and still they take some rushed decisions without thinking ahead... UNBELIEVABLE !

I manage the U21 Venezuela and I have a DB of more than 150 players when I ask about their skills, more than 80% respond, and they are players from 16 to 21

clearly those of 16, 17 and 18 do not play in the current season but I like to see their development, and seeing how their owners respond shows me that they are interested in their players being in the U21

this is the worst news i have received in sokker

Same here. Some of players in u21 Im managing receive nice training playing just friendlies and NT game. They are just too weak to play in league games. If they lose NT training they will get only 85% of training, or will be sold to weaker teams with weaker staff, or even to users who don't know how to train them in proper way.

Yes, it's true but... come on, if you arrive in the final match, you'll have maximum 7 matches more than the U21 NT team (3 at the second stage lagues, then 4 in the tournament stage). This is not the definitive and not the best choice, but it's the best that could be implemented just tuning what is tunable, so, directly implementable.

Let's talk about numbers. Most of the U21 players plays the friendly in their club team, so they get 85% of the training. If they play the whole NT match, they will be close to 100% (let's say 100%). So a player of U21 NT that reaches the finals, gets 7 times the 15% bonus more than a team that doesn't qualify for the world cup, that means about one training bonus every two seasons... We're talking about crumbs....
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I try to give my U21 players 45 minutes in official games, just because I want to optimize their training, but this is making it very hard for me to reach my competitive goals...

I like the fact they're trying to find some solutions.
I didn't think about the things you guys are complaining about, but they're valid arguments.
But the devs are really trying to take a step in the right direction. Give them some more time to review their options :)

I expected to receive news like, we have decided to move the U21 to U22 so that the level of the youth is maintained

or that the players would receive training as an Official game

and of course that the national team coaches could finally see the skills of the youth

Of course, wanting to improve things is appreciated and it is clear that there is no solution that we all like, but this affects the weakest the most.

There are enough games in the week to get close to max training for anyone worth training. NTs/U21 are never worth it for training purposes because just 1 injury where player loses training means the player wont be net positive in training received from U21/NTs in like ever. So this is a step in the right direction and it doesn't make weaker nations "weaker" and rich "richer". Hell, I when I'll look for trainees next time, I might prefer youths from weaker nations just because I'll know that they will have less chance to get injuries from U21 games.

Nothing correct is treating the national teams differently, favoring the most ranked

no particular team should be placed above a Country

The current problem that exists is that the players received little training due to the minutes of risk of injury, the solution was to train them as an official game, not to remove the training

Believe me or not, but in country like Slovenija with just 10 users (maybe 5 active) there are almost not enough players to make decent U21 eleven.
I have players in my (Slovenija U21) first eleven who are not even worth to train. But people train them just to help such small NT. They will never use such players in league match cause it would be a sabotage. Than means without NT training bonus they will get only 85% from friendly or will be simply dismissed.

there are almost not enough players to make decent U21 eleven. - so each injury hurts the U21/NT even more as there are no replacement players.
or will be simply dismissed. - they wont, they still take up a training slot so someone who trains them considers it worth doing so. You cant just buy a bunch of trainees and hope that they will get the minutes from U21/NT, you still have to play someone for 3 games a week as well.

There are enough threads that are about injuries in these forums and how they affect the game badly. Now there is at least start for some effort to lessen them so lets be thankful for that.
Even in worst case scenario U21 trainees will get 85% training from team friendlies. So for each week he loses from an injury in U21 game he needs close to a season of U21 games to compensate the lost training (and there is no "catching up the lost trainings" if he gets more than a friendly in his team at all) so in my opinion this is a great start and lets hope the devs remove injuries from official NT/U21 games with time as well.

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It is nonsense to eliminate injuries in national team games, it is like demanding from FIFA in real life that players cannot be injured with their countries, the solution is to reduce the time of injury, not eliminate them

they can make the training the same as in their teams 85% friendly and 96% Official