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"Data for only polish division - at the level of seasonal balance there is arround 35 000 000 000 euro additional money in sokker per season… probably for all sk we should make it x5. It need to be reduced now.
"It is technical thing, we have quite direct report for finances (all types of costs and incomes) in summary for teams, but dedicated for country, so we used it in poland to have most wide data - finances are mainly connected with ranking and fanbase, so it is good enough to find the scale of current problems on 2k clubs sample, from begginers to top ones."
This is very worrying and explains a lot of decisions and what people have been saying about the changes being Poland-centric.
A new team in Poland can easily out pace a new team in any country with less then 50users. This is because Poland has such a settled fan base that just promoting out of a dead bottom division will triple the salary that comes in a week. If a team joins in to a strong bottom division, the fanclubs of the teams they are playing are still strong and they will continue getting large numbers of fans joining the fanclubs for longer and stadium income compared with a small country.
In a small country, the rate of increase is much slower because BOTS make up more of the divisions. There are less teams to offset the affect of bots and their 200 fanclub, meaning the pull up is smaller and lasts a smaller amount of time. Then if you are unlucky enough to be in a country that has only one league full of supporters, every time a team demotes, their fanclubs are pulled down by the base bot fanclub size.
Whilst it may seem like a good idea to look at Poland stats due to the wide range of teams, it's also a very poor indicator of what is happening with most countries in sokker, and why the merging of countries is essential.
Compared to a small nation (which 60-70% of nations are, just in various degrees), Poland is like playing sokker on fast forward, with all the advantages and none of the disadvantages.
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Just wanted to add. I do agree with you Raul that there is too much money in the game, inflation has gone crazy (which as Sviktorov pointed out was stated would happen before the new league structure), and I also agree it is crazy that there are so many top level players in the game. Games need to have a challenge to be interesting, but the challenge needs to be fair across everyone who plays it, not limited by uncontrollable factors such as number of people from your own country that decide to play the game
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"It is technical thing, we have quite direct report for finances (all types of costs and incomes) in summary for teams, but dedicated for country, so we used it in poland to have most wide data - finances are mainly connected with ranking and fanbase, so it is good enough to find the scale of current problems on 2k clubs sample, from begginers to top ones."
This is very worrying and explains a lot of decisions and what people have been saying about the changes being Poland-centric.
A new team in Poland can easily out pace a new team in any country with less then 50users. This is because Poland has such a settled fan base that just promoting out of a dead bottom division will triple the salary that comes in a week. If a team joins in to a strong bottom division, the fanclubs of the teams they are playing are still strong and they will continue getting large numbers of fans joining the fanclubs for longer and stadium income compared with a small country.
In a small country, the rate of increase is much slower because BOTS make up more of the divisions. There are less teams to offset the affect of bots and their 200 fanclub, meaning the pull up is smaller and lasts a smaller amount of time. Then if you are unlucky enough to be in a country that has only one league full of supporters, every time a team demotes, their fanclubs are pulled down by the base bot fanclub size.
Whilst it may seem like a good idea to look at Poland stats due to the wide range of teams, it's also a very poor indicator of what is happening with most countries in sokker, and why the merging of countries is essential.
Compared to a small nation (which 60-70% of nations are, just in various degrees), Poland is like playing sokker on fast forward, with all the advantages and none of the disadvantages.
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Just wanted to add. I do agree with you Raul that there is too much money in the game, inflation has gone crazy (which as Sviktorov pointed out was stated would happen before the new league structure), and I also agree it is crazy that there are so many top level players in the game. Games need to have a challenge to be interesting, but the challenge needs to be fair across everyone who plays it, not limited by uncontrollable factors such as number of people from your own country that decide to play the game
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What do you think how much money gets new polish team from sponsors in bottom division.
Do you think it is easy to get promoted from league VI to V without having knowledge?
How much money does team get in V league after beeing promoted?
Do you think it is easy to get promoted from league VI to V without having knowledge?
How much money does team get in V league after beeing promoted?
I actually did all these stats 2 years ago and presented them in the forums, and yes, poland had a huge advantage.
Unlike many people, I base all my comments on facts from doing research, often the hard way, which includes sending out many many many sk-mails
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Unlike many people, I base all my comments on facts from doing research, often the hard way, which includes sending out many many many sk-mails
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Alot changed in last year. Im not telling that polish teams doesnt have advantage. Im beeing just curious if you have overview up to date.
This was posted on 15th June 2020
"Australia:
Fantum - Started in June 2018 - 131 250 $ sponsorship (from [money=6]199 000 AU$ last week) - won all league games - rating 52
Cometer - Started in April 2018 - 55 500 $sponsorship - rating 32
Italia:
Player 1 - Started in Sept 2019 - 150 000 $ sponsorship - lost 3 of 4 league matches - rating 48
Player 2 - Started in Nov 2019 - 161 250 $ sponsorship - lost 3 of 4 league matches - rating 47
Player 3 - Started in Jan 2020 - 137 813 $ sponsorship - rating 41
Player 4 - Started in Mar 2020 - 129 063 $ sponsorship - rating 45
Poland:
Player 1 - Started in Feb 2020 - 112 500 $ sponsorship - lost 4 of 4 league matches. - ratig 35
Player 2 - Started in April 2020 - 111 250 $ sponsorship - rating 37
Player 3 - Started in April 2020 - 106 563 $ sponsorship - rating 30
Player 4 - Started in Apr 2020 - 111 250 $ sponsorship - rating 35
Player 5 - Started in April 2020 - 93 750 $ sponsorship - rating 24"
I continued comparing these stats well after thus, using people from other countries too, but it shows how big of a difference there is, when a polish team with no experience in the game can achieve in a couple of months what a small nation achieves in a couple of years (and both of the two Australians were returning players. Cometer was actually one of the best teams in his time and very experienced in the game both financially and tactically.
And you are correct, a lot has changed in the past year, but in a way that actually makes the difference even worse. For small nations, a 6 team competition would actually be more beneficial (as bots have less of an affect).
It's also why I suggested merging all small countries together but keeping their own Cup and own countries players. By doing this it doesn't affect any other nation that doesn't get merged so there should be no opposition to it. Most people from small countries are in favour of it to increase their own sokker experience. One player from India didn't play a human controlled team for 6-9 months I believe and good on him for staying, but how many people would go to the effort of learning a whole new game when it takes that long just to play 1 human user.
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"Australia:
Fantum - Started in June 2018 - 131 250 $ sponsorship (from [money=6]199 000 AU$ last week) - won all league games - rating 52
Cometer - Started in April 2018 - 55 500 $sponsorship - rating 32
Italia:
Player 1 - Started in Sept 2019 - 150 000 $ sponsorship - lost 3 of 4 league matches - rating 48
Player 2 - Started in Nov 2019 - 161 250 $ sponsorship - lost 3 of 4 league matches - rating 47
Player 3 - Started in Jan 2020 - 137 813 $ sponsorship - rating 41
Player 4 - Started in Mar 2020 - 129 063 $ sponsorship - rating 45
Poland:
Player 1 - Started in Feb 2020 - 112 500 $ sponsorship - lost 4 of 4 league matches. - ratig 35
Player 2 - Started in April 2020 - 111 250 $ sponsorship - rating 37
Player 3 - Started in April 2020 - 106 563 $ sponsorship - rating 30
Player 4 - Started in Apr 2020 - 111 250 $ sponsorship - rating 35
Player 5 - Started in April 2020 - 93 750 $ sponsorship - rating 24"
I continued comparing these stats well after thus, using people from other countries too, but it shows how big of a difference there is, when a polish team with no experience in the game can achieve in a couple of months what a small nation achieves in a couple of years (and both of the two Australians were returning players. Cometer was actually one of the best teams in his time and very experienced in the game both financially and tactically.
And you are correct, a lot has changed in the past year, but in a way that actually makes the difference even worse. For small nations, a 6 team competition would actually be more beneficial (as bots have less of an affect).
It's also why I suggested merging all small countries together but keeping their own Cup and own countries players. By doing this it doesn't affect any other nation that doesn't get merged so there should be no opposition to it. Most people from small countries are in favour of it to increase their own sokker experience. One player from India didn't play a human controlled team for 6-9 months I believe and good on him for staying, but how many people would go to the effort of learning a whole new game when it takes that long just to play 1 human user.
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I'm sorry, but your data was biased. You choose the clubs the way so it matches your theory (clubs with low rating losing everything in harder division in Poland/Italy vs Australian team that wins everything in division with many bots).
The same way you could compare now sponsorship money from Geston's team with your last 3 teams in A-league... and you will see he gets much lower sponsorship money, while not having a worse team.
The same way you could compare now sponsorship money from Geston's team with your last 3 teams in A-league... and you will see he gets much lower sponsorship money, while not having a worse team.
Nice try but it's impossible to have biased data of this caliber when there is a 2yr difference between start date in the game. Also if I picked a bias sample, I would have selected Aus users who gave up on the game and who were losing matches - therefore worse supporter mood, and then on the Polish side, selected teams who were winning matches and therefore better supporter mood. This is why I included the number of wins and out of how many so you could see that if anything, I was intentionally selecting teams who should be closer in sponsorship based on their wins and loses, not further apart.
You are mistaking my data for being anti-poland when it is not that at all. I am just aiming for everyone to have advantages and disadvatanges to play the game with.
The same issue is at the top as well, but that's a whole other set of data.
I am not asking for any team in Poland to be disadvantaged or punished, so again, don't get your knickers in a knot
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You are mistaking my data for being anti-poland when it is not that at all. I am just aiming for everyone to have advantages and disadvatanges to play the game with.
The same issue is at the top as well, but that's a whole other set of data.
I am not asking for any team in Poland to be disadvantaged or punished, so again, don't get your knickers in a knot
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It is outdated for Poland.
In polish bottom leagues we have average 5 users and 7 bots.
My first season after leagues reform i took between 90000 and 100000 au$. Playing with rating 30-33 I guess. Without pronotion.
Same money in second season. Playing with rating 37 I guess. Promoted.
But I wasnt ready for higher league, so I was relegated after one season.
Sponsor sponsorship between 200000-240000 au$. Playing with rating 40-45.
Now again in bottom league. Winning almost everything. Rating 45-50.
Sponsorship around 130-140k AU$.
So its not so colourfull.
In polish bottom leagues we have average 5 users and 7 bots.
My first season after leagues reform i took between 90000 and 100000 au$. Playing with rating 30-33 I guess. Without pronotion.
Same money in second season. Playing with rating 37 I guess. Promoted.
But I wasnt ready for higher league, so I was relegated after one season.
Sponsor sponsorship between 200000-240000 au$. Playing with rating 40-45.
Now again in bottom league. Winning almost everything. Rating 45-50.
Sponsorship around 130-140k AU$.
So its not so colourfull.
And it's not a theory, it's a known FACT in sokker.
Fanclub of both yourself and those in your league determine sponsorship and gate attendance = FACT
If your team is surrounded by new teams and bot teams because there aren't enough teams in your country, then the average fanclub size will be smaller = FACT
If you beat people with smaller fanclub sizes, your fanclub increase will be smaller = FACT
If you are at the top of your country, surrounded by weaker teams, you hit a ceiling due to the difference in your fanclub members and the average of the league, meaning you hit a ceiling of how much you can actually bring in = FACT
C'mon mate, the reason you are so defensive about this is because you see the advantage and don't want it lost, yet my suggestion of combining countries so they get the full experience of the game has ZERO affect on you, so why fight so hard to go against it unless you see the advantage you have? If there is no advantage, then why get so worried about it, because there won't be any difference, except for the increased enjoyment of the teams merged who now get to play in more competitive leagues and leagues not full of bots?
Fanclub of both yourself and those in your league determine sponsorship and gate attendance = FACT
If your team is surrounded by new teams and bot teams because there aren't enough teams in your country, then the average fanclub size will be smaller = FACT
If you beat people with smaller fanclub sizes, your fanclub increase will be smaller = FACT
If you are at the top of your country, surrounded by weaker teams, you hit a ceiling due to the difference in your fanclub members and the average of the league, meaning you hit a ceiling of how much you can actually bring in = FACT
C'mon mate, the reason you are so defensive about this is because you see the advantage and don't want it lost, yet my suggestion of combining countries so they get the full experience of the game has ZERO affect on you, so why fight so hard to go against it unless you see the advantage you have? If there is no advantage, then why get so worried about it, because there won't be any difference, except for the increased enjoyment of the teams merged who now get to play in more competitive leagues and leagues not full of bots?
Those numbers are still well above what was and IS being reported in Australia even now. And Australia isn't the worst, there are many countries where it is worse.
Was just looking at another Australian thread. A user who had been in the game 18months, and previous in the A-League, was demoted, just like you, and was demoted to 110k.
You, being in the game for 2/3 of the time in Poland, are getting about 25% more than he was at the time of the post.
But lets say that "that's close enough", in a small nation like Australia, you are basically playing in Poland League 6, maxing out at Poland League 5, without any way of further promoting and improving (and by this I mean, you don't get the same revenue in to be able to increase your players rating). At the high levels, like agbell in Australia, he actually took a massive dive in fanclub members and total revenue, thus his team got weaker, all because the people surrounding him were mainly new teams. Totally unfair for him as he had no control over it.
It sucks, and I have challenged anyone who disagrees to start a team in a small nation and see just how hard it is to advance.
Just like I, and other small nation users, have requested they be allowed to have a second team in Poland so they can see first hand what it is like, but have regularly been denied this option.
Again, I am not, and have never been anti-Poland, which is why my ideas have never been about hurting Poland. they have only ever been about giving everyone the same opportunity to advance in the game not having to rely on complete strangers joining and staying in the game
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You, being in the game for 2/3 of the time in Poland, are getting about 25% more than he was at the time of the post.
But lets say that "that's close enough", in a small nation like Australia, you are basically playing in Poland League 6, maxing out at Poland League 5, without any way of further promoting and improving (and by this I mean, you don't get the same revenue in to be able to increase your players rating). At the high levels, like agbell in Australia, he actually took a massive dive in fanclub members and total revenue, thus his team got weaker, all because the people surrounding him were mainly new teams. Totally unfair for him as he had no control over it.
It sucks, and I have challenged anyone who disagrees to start a team in a small nation and see just how hard it is to advance.
Just like I, and other small nation users, have requested they be allowed to have a second team in Poland so they can see first hand what it is like, but have regularly been denied this option.
Again, I am not, and have never been anti-Poland, which is why my ideas have never been about hurting Poland. they have only ever been about giving everyone the same opportunity to advance in the game not having to rely on complete strangers joining and staying in the game
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The average level of A-Leagues is 53.7
Even if you don't count the three weakest teams, it's still only 58.7
That's an average level of one of the weakest IV leagues in Poland, what do you expect to earn?
Of course it sucks that you have a low level in Australia, but it's also due to inactivity, bad training/team improvement etc. (I know that you have it a bit harder in transfers due to daily time)
There are countries that also have a low number of users, yet they are able to have teams that play for around 75-80
In Australia You have 3 teams that get ratings over 60, one of them barely...
and all of those teams have a drastically bad transfer balance, hundreds of millions in the red
look at Xineon from Latvija, even less users, yet he regularly has a team at Champions Cup level, around 75+
of course it would be easier with more money and possibly you're getting a bit less than you should, but at the same time teams in bigger countries develop in similar conditions and are able to improve, you guys are simply losing money
Even if you don't count the three weakest teams, it's still only 58.7
That's an average level of one of the weakest IV leagues in Poland, what do you expect to earn?
Of course it sucks that you have a low level in Australia, but it's also due to inactivity, bad training/team improvement etc. (I know that you have it a bit harder in transfers due to daily time)
There are countries that also have a low number of users, yet they are able to have teams that play for around 75-80
In Australia You have 3 teams that get ratings over 60, one of them barely...
and all of those teams have a drastically bad transfer balance, hundreds of millions in the red
look at Xineon from Latvija, even less users, yet he regularly has a team at Champions Cup level, around 75+
of course it would be easier with more money and possibly you're getting a bit less than you should, but at the same time teams in bigger countries develop in similar conditions and are able to improve, you guys are simply losing money
Thank you for not responding at all to my argument about why your data is biased. Why didn't you choose clubs from Poland/Italy playing in division with bots, like you did with Australian teams? Answer this question, otherwise the discussion is pointless.
Btw.
Cometer was actually one of the best teams in his time and very experienced in the game both financially and tactically.
He must be very experienced to have a team with rating 32 after 2 years of playing :D
Fanclub of both yourself and those in your league determine sponsorship and gate attendance = FACT
Yep
If your team is surrounded by new teams and bot teams because there aren't enough teams in your country, then the average fanclub size will be smaller = FACT
Yep
I believe that the differences shouldn't be as big, bigger fan clubs for new clubs (and bots) + bigger stadium would make new clubs experience much better in these cases where they start in bot-full divisions.
If you beat people with smaller fanclub sizes, your fanclub increase will be smaller = FACT
More like "if average fanclub size of your league opponents is smaller", but yes.
If you are at the top of your country, surrounded by weaker teams, you hit a ceiling due to the difference in your fanclub members and the average of the league, meaning you hit a ceiling of how much you can actually bring in = FACT
Yes, but you get an advantage in players you can train without sacrificing results, which is in my opinion more important than sponsorship and ticket money.
For example for me sponsorship and ticket money are not very important, I could get 50% less from them and income from training would still guarantee me a huge profit every season. Teams in Australia can do it as well.
And what do you expect? To have the same income from sponsors and money in your A-league as in Polish top leagues when you have many weak teams in your league?
C'mon mate, the reason you are so defensive about this is because you see the advantage and don't want it lost, yet my suggestion of combining countries so they get the full experience of the game has ZERO affect on you, so why fight so hard to go against it unless you see the advantage you have? If there is no advantage, then why get so worried about it, because there won't be any difference, except for the increased enjoyment of the teams merged who now get to play in more competitive leagues and leagues not full of bots?
???
I don't fight against your suggestion about combining countries, I have zero problems with it. I would love to play the game with one big international league.
It sucks, and I have challenged anyone who disagrees to start a team in a small nation and see just how hard it is to advance.
Just like I, and other small nation users, have requested they be allowed to have a second team in Poland so they can see first hand what it is like, but have regularly been denied this option.
I'd happily start another team in Australia if it was allowed (maybe a new plus tier like in hattrick?), you just need to follow a simple method of
1. buy 10 good enough 17-18yo players for training
2. train them and get nice money after one season
3. don't ever worry again about lower sponsorship and ticket money because it's no longer that important, all future expenses will easily be covered just by training
And your "new club financial problems" end :)
But if all the teams that know how to play the game start the 2nd team in small nations then most native clubs would end in lower divisions... Do you really want that?
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Btw.
Cometer was actually one of the best teams in his time and very experienced in the game both financially and tactically.
He must be very experienced to have a team with rating 32 after 2 years of playing :D
Fanclub of both yourself and those in your league determine sponsorship and gate attendance = FACT
Yep
If your team is surrounded by new teams and bot teams because there aren't enough teams in your country, then the average fanclub size will be smaller = FACT
Yep
I believe that the differences shouldn't be as big, bigger fan clubs for new clubs (and bots) + bigger stadium would make new clubs experience much better in these cases where they start in bot-full divisions.
If you beat people with smaller fanclub sizes, your fanclub increase will be smaller = FACT
More like "if average fanclub size of your league opponents is smaller", but yes.
If you are at the top of your country, surrounded by weaker teams, you hit a ceiling due to the difference in your fanclub members and the average of the league, meaning you hit a ceiling of how much you can actually bring in = FACT
Yes, but you get an advantage in players you can train without sacrificing results, which is in my opinion more important than sponsorship and ticket money.
For example for me sponsorship and ticket money are not very important, I could get 50% less from them and income from training would still guarantee me a huge profit every season. Teams in Australia can do it as well.
And what do you expect? To have the same income from sponsors and money in your A-league as in Polish top leagues when you have many weak teams in your league?
C'mon mate, the reason you are so defensive about this is because you see the advantage and don't want it lost, yet my suggestion of combining countries so they get the full experience of the game has ZERO affect on you, so why fight so hard to go against it unless you see the advantage you have? If there is no advantage, then why get so worried about it, because there won't be any difference, except for the increased enjoyment of the teams merged who now get to play in more competitive leagues and leagues not full of bots?
???
I don't fight against your suggestion about combining countries, I have zero problems with it. I would love to play the game with one big international league.
It sucks, and I have challenged anyone who disagrees to start a team in a small nation and see just how hard it is to advance.
Just like I, and other small nation users, have requested they be allowed to have a second team in Poland so they can see first hand what it is like, but have regularly been denied this option.
I'd happily start another team in Australia if it was allowed (maybe a new plus tier like in hattrick?), you just need to follow a simple method of
1. buy 10 good enough 17-18yo players for training
2. train them and get nice money after one season
3. don't ever worry again about lower sponsorship and ticket money because it's no longer that important, all future expenses will easily be covered just by training
And your "new club financial problems" end :)
But if all the teams that know how to play the game start the 2nd team in small nations then most native clubs would end in lower divisions... Do you really want that?
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What do you think how much money gets new polish team from sponsors in bottom division.
Do you think it is easy to get promoted from league VI to V without having knowledge?
How much money does team get in V league after beeing promoted?
Not everything is POLISH league.
This is a WORLD GAME.
In many many different countries it´s almost imposible to get better soon, fast or easy.
In Argentina (For example) took me 18 years to get a "Good" team...
Since we play 3 games per week, since change to 12 teams, since change in training system, all is new for all uf us, and we need to change our play with it.
I beg the devs for NOT TO TAKE Changes only thinking in Polish or Top 3 country leagues needs.
Think in the whole sokker users. Make it funnier and competitive for all of us.
Thanks, we love sokker. We deserve a better sokker.
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Do you think it is easy to get promoted from league VI to V without having knowledge?
How much money does team get in V league after beeing promoted?
Not everything is POLISH league.
This is a WORLD GAME.
In many many different countries it´s almost imposible to get better soon, fast or easy.
In Argentina (For example) took me 18 years to get a "Good" team...
Since we play 3 games per week, since change to 12 teams, since change in training system, all is new for all uf us, and we need to change our play with it.
I beg the devs for NOT TO TAKE Changes only thinking in Polish or Top 3 country leagues needs.
Think in the whole sokker users. Make it funnier and competitive for all of us.
Thanks, we love sokker. We deserve a better sokker.
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look at Xineon from Latvija, even less users, yet he regularly has a team at Champions Cup level, around 75+
Possible, but unsustainable in long term (well, at least 80+, ~72-75 sure is possible). Managed that partly because of inflation in last seasons to compensate for lower stadium/sponsors income compared to everyone else who has managed to field 80+ teams.
I was deep in the red every week before changes due to wages and had to allocate millions per season to compensate that. For example I got 266 111 € from sponsors last week while paying 486 225 € in players wages and 213 975 € in coach wages.
And the biggest issue that there is no potential growth, no way to increase income and competition while you guys in Poland have an option to get higher if you are skilled enough. That is the thing everyone argues for merging countries. Not to spite you and get bigger income with less effort.
And also it gets boring real quick to stomp every league game so I guess I'll go back to farming/training youths after next CC (or quit entirely, who knows) if there is no talk about possible merging small nations.
Possible, but unsustainable in long term (well, at least 80+, ~72-75 sure is possible). Managed that partly because of inflation in last seasons to compensate for lower stadium/sponsors income compared to everyone else who has managed to field 80+ teams.
I was deep in the red every week before changes due to wages and had to allocate millions per season to compensate that. For example I got 266 111 € from sponsors last week while paying 486 225 € in players wages and 213 975 € in coach wages.
And the biggest issue that there is no potential growth, no way to increase income and competition while you guys in Poland have an option to get higher if you are skilled enough. That is the thing everyone argues for merging countries. Not to spite you and get bigger income with less effort.
And also it gets boring real quick to stomp every league game so I guess I'll go back to farming/training youths after next CC (or quit entirely, who knows) if there is no talk about possible merging small nations.
Possible, but unsustainable in long term (well, at least 80+, ~72-75 sure is possible).
well it's same for Poland, since you have to compete vs 75+ teams every week it's basically a non stop Champions Cup, so you have to use all resources for a couple of seasons to get trophies
admittedly more form sponsors + stadium, but at the same time more demanding in cup/league so you have to invest more
these are 75+ teams from this week only:
79.7 FC Chełmek Ekstraklasa Relacja
78.5 Japanese Futbol Ekstraklasa Relacja
78.0 WislaKrakow Liga II.02 Relacja
77.7 Furya Liga II.03 Relacja
77.5 KS Polonia Skierniewice Ekstraklasa Relacja
77.1 Paginator Armada Ekstraklasa Relacja
77.1 KS Wisła Puławy Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.7 Kajoza Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.2 MOSP Białystok Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.0 FC Batalion Lublin Liga II.03 Relacja
75.8 Domik Tuchola Ekstraklasa Relacja
75.3 LKS Stara Wieś Liga II.02 Relacja
75.2 WHITE TIGERS CF Liga II.02
And also it gets boring real quick to stomp every league game so I guess I'll go back to farming/training youths after next CC (or quit entirely, who knows) if there is no talk about possible merging small nations.
for sure, I think nobody denies that it must be boring...
the best solution is to improve the number of users in smaller leagues, if they are unable to do that they should merge the smallest countries, possibly by region
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all that we're saying is that it's not so easy and nice in Poland as well
first of all the level of competition and resources needed to at least have a chance to get to Ekstraklasa, never mind actually winning anything
Im getting 175 000 euro from sponsors or less this season, I'm losing supporters
I need to make a team playing for average around 60 to promote to IVth league
then in IVth league there are already teams playing for 72-74... not many of course but you can get them in your league
some IV tier leagues have teams playing for average 63+, with 4-5 teams playing for 64-70
well it's same for Poland, since you have to compete vs 75+ teams every week it's basically a non stop Champions Cup, so you have to use all resources for a couple of seasons to get trophies
admittedly more form sponsors + stadium, but at the same time more demanding in cup/league so you have to invest more
these are 75+ teams from this week only:
79.7 FC Chełmek Ekstraklasa Relacja
78.5 Japanese Futbol Ekstraklasa Relacja
78.0 WislaKrakow Liga II.02 Relacja
77.7 Furya Liga II.03 Relacja
77.5 KS Polonia Skierniewice Ekstraklasa Relacja
77.1 Paginator Armada Ekstraklasa Relacja
77.1 KS Wisła Puławy Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.7 Kajoza Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.2 MOSP Białystok Ekstraklasa Relacja
76.0 FC Batalion Lublin Liga II.03 Relacja
75.8 Domik Tuchola Ekstraklasa Relacja
75.3 LKS Stara Wieś Liga II.02 Relacja
75.2 WHITE TIGERS CF Liga II.02
And also it gets boring real quick to stomp every league game so I guess I'll go back to farming/training youths after next CC (or quit entirely, who knows) if there is no talk about possible merging small nations.
for sure, I think nobody denies that it must be boring...
the best solution is to improve the number of users in smaller leagues, if they are unable to do that they should merge the smallest countries, possibly by region
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all that we're saying is that it's not so easy and nice in Poland as well
first of all the level of competition and resources needed to at least have a chance to get to Ekstraklasa, never mind actually winning anything
Im getting 175 000 euro from sponsors or less this season, I'm losing supporters
I need to make a team playing for average around 60 to promote to IVth league
then in IVth league there are already teams playing for 72-74... not many of course but you can get them in your league
some IV tier leagues have teams playing for average 63+, with 4-5 teams playing for 64-70