Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

I don't think a 2nd poll is necessary. Just implement reasonable and people will be satisfied.

and what IS reasonable?

what people actually voted for?

Maybe people voted for option 3 because they THOUGHT they will get a lot of money for NT injury, 10% more supporters and extra 20% bonus for training [120% instead of 100%]?

do you think that people who voted for this option will be happy with such changes as below?
a. 0.1% extra supporters max
b. return of wage for injured in NT player
c. no extra training [same as now, max 100% that you get in your club]

because that's what they will probably get

how will that change ANYTHING in the NT situation? It won't, it will be a useless change, completely wasted time & resources
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Agree, 3rd option could be missunderstood as some extreame benefits, but i think lot of users are aware, that benefits can be higher, but not to much in terms of competing with teams without NT players

I think that those who see that benefits can't be high actually didn't vote on option nr 3 solely because of this reason, so I don't think that it's a valid argument

Kryminator is right, i thought that option 1 will win easily, but seams there is lot of users who think opposite, we need to respect that and develop some solution.

as I've said, options 1&2 only took away from users [no training], option 3 promised extras [money, supporters, training] without specifying the scale and type of these extras

you seriously thought that option 1 would win? in such form it was a no-brainer :)
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Maybe people voted for option 3 because they THOUGHT they will get a lot of money for NT injury, 10% more supporters and extra 20% bonus for training [120% instead of 100%]?

I'm sure that most of them are not that stupid. I voted for 3 just for having more reality and some kind of "emotional connection" of the NT with the main game.

And I think that the most useful advantage of this poll was to learn that the users who are the loudest in this forum are not automatically speaking for the majority of users.

I created a poll on a polish forum and i asked people why they voted option 3

https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/1/ID_topic/3580406/pg/1

Results (90 votes):
41% did not vote for option 3
21% voted 3 due to possible U-21 training
17% wanted reality
14% are looking for potential benefits
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And I think that the most useful advantage of this poll was to learn that the users who are the loudest in this forum are not automatically speaking for the majority of users.

you're saying this because you like the results
you can as well make an argument, that people who voted option #3 were a total minority in the topics about the change
they just came, saw that they can get money+supporters+training so they voted, it's the most obvious answer if you don't know the details

I'm sure that most of them are not that stupid

people will definitely change their approach towards NT if they back get their wage for injured 18yo player worth 20m euro xD or extra 0.1% supporters in the stadium

there already were people writing that if they knew, that the 'injured in NT money' would be just the 1x or 2x player wage, then they would choose a different option

I voted for 3 just for having more reality and some kind of "emotional connection" of the NT with the main game.

let's not talk about reality in a game that has NT playing every week between club games

why do you need injures and money for "emotional connection"?

you're saying this because you like the results

maybe, yes :)

why do you need injures and money for "emotional connection"?

it's strange, but without any impact on the game NT is much less interesting for me, I would only watch official matches in that case

and I would never spend 20 mil for just 1 trainee, so NT injuries don't destroy my game

You already have enough feedback. Most people voted for option 3 and I think you could make the best if additionally:
- reduce length of NT-injuries (e.g. limit to 8 days)

No way! Mauseer has already said - mojority of users voted 3 because of reality. Why injury in NT has to be shorter then in other games? It's unreal.
Apart from that, 30 days injury may create a really strong "emotional connection", while only 8 days not.

and I would never spend 20 mil for just 1 trainee, so NT injuries don't destroy my game

but others do
people do what they can to train very valuable player to 100% of their potential

these changes were supposed to (among other things) create a situation, where owners of top players want to send the skills so their players are not hidden and can play in u21/NT

do you think that people who pay 10, 15, 20m euro for their young players will care about a 0.1% more people at their stadium, or a wage of 10k euro when their star player misses 1 or 3 trainings because of NT? no, they won't

btw. people speak about how the u21/NT help owners with training, bla bla bla
I have seven top level trainees, at least 6 of them will in future be important part of their NTs

how did the NT coaches help me so far? those players, in total, have so far 5 games in NT

one of them got injured in his NT debut in a FRIENDLY, the NT coach didn't even ask me if I want him to play
second one lost form when he started playing for NT, then he was kicked out, I asked NT coach to play him once or twice so he might get his form back - he doesn't care, he is playing with younger players now, not his problem

others are not being used, so they get nothing
but yeah, sure, when I get them trained - then suddenly NT coaches will want to use them every week, right? great cooperation

I didn't get shit while training players since 16-17yo, if anything they created problems for me, so they won't get skills now when the players are ready/getting ready

Since you do not plan to reduce the duration of injuries in general, it seems like an excellent idea to incorporate these two points +1000000000000000000

I think you could make the best if additionally:
- reduce length of NT-injuries (e.g. limit to 8 days)
and
- (very important) allow injured players to get at least 50% of training

No way! Mauseer has already said - mojority of users voted 3 because of reality. Why injury in NT has to be shorter then in other games? It's unreal.
Apart from that, 30 days injury may create a really strong "emotional connection", while only 8 days not.

happy that my words of "emotional connection" are trending now ;)

btw it would be very real to reduce the injury chance in all friendly matches, club and NT

In my opion there is one simply solution.
You already implemented show / hide skills button

show skills = additional trainng + potential beneftis + risk of injury
hide skills = no training, no benefits, no ijury


Don't be a commie, let's people choose, it makes them happy.
Happy user tends to buy PLUS much often.

yes, let's also add 0.39% supporters for every NT player [0.39% per 90min played that week of course], 127% of wage weekly when injured and a bonus training

soooo many complications that won't change anything, let's be serious

people who don't send skills don't want injuries - that's the whole point
not money, not supporters, not training, not "max 8/12/16 day injuries"
they won't send skills if their players can get injured

if someone has a 3x superdivine striker and plays for National Championship at Sunday, day after NT games, do you think he will give a f*** that his player got a "max 8 day injury" before his game of the season?

show skills = additional trainng + potential beneftis + risk of injury
hide skills = no training, no benefits, no ijury

*hide skills = can't be called up to NT and play

that would be fair :-)

but yes, such option would also be good, but all of these options are overcomplicating a very simple thing...
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*hide skills = can't be called up to NT and play


I dont care about it, my player may be called, i see no problem with that.
I just don't need all these shitty "benefits", i only want my player to be available on Sunday, wth no injury.

majority of users voted 3 because of reality.

Well in reality you are not restricted to train only 10 guys max to start with.

But really the issue of NT/U21 injuries in the poll is targeted at the wrong audience. Most of the users who voted
a) Dont train top level youths who lose a lot of value due to injuries. Because drop off from "best of his age" to "very good" in value is bigger than any decent player getting slightly worse
b) Dont have rosters full of NT players - chances that your only NT guy will get injury are small. Chances that one of your 10 NT guys will are 10 times bigger.

and for them NT injury issue is not an issue really and 3rd option simply adds small benefits and sounds the best while not solving reason why part of users (rather small but vocal part though) complain about NT injuries and would continue to do so after any such changes.
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show skills = additional trainng + potential beneftis + risk of injury
hide skills = no training, no benefits, no injury

Nice!!!!

I shall add:

(show skills+Playing NT/U21 Match) = additional trainng + potential beneftis + risk of injury
hide skills = no training, no benefits, no injury

I think that Playing a NT/U21 Match will decrease the probability of calling not worthy players just to benefit "Friends and Family"

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