Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #82: Automatic release of NT-players from

quite funny, as i remember you was one of most engaged NT coach ever in the past ;)

I was and I still think it's a very important aspect of the game that CAN be very fun and community building

but not in current situation, with:

a. shorter seasons = bigger % impact of losing a single training
b. more games a week = bigger impact on league results for older NT players
c. NT being played as a middle game not first game of the week, after the friendly
d. NT being totally unneeded to achieve ~max weekly training [95%/96% is very easy at club level only]

But it is not true, that poll was so unprecise, that blind users voted without any logic for desired benefits.

I'm not saying that they were blind, or had no logic

I said on the contrary - they voted on the only logical answer, in two answers you proposed to take away from them, in the third one you proposed to add three things [without details]

I hope that you are actually going to create a thought-out poll this time
it would be best to simply call the options to choose "option 1", "option 2" etc. and then explain the details in the post...

if you just write again "extra money, extra training, extra supporters" then I can already tell you the results of the poll

btw:

what exactly is your point or goal in these changes, can you specify that?

do you want everyone to be open for NT rivalry, sending skills etc.?

or do you want people who like NTs to like them even more?
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yes, and we will confirm final options somehow (maybe with poll, why not).

But regardless just look how many users writes that arcade NT games will move game in wrong direction - they are not claiming to have max benefits, just like that link between NTs and clubs. I even think, that if we would change nothing and question would be - make NT games arcade, or leave it as it is - there will be still a large group of users that would pick up second option. And that conclusion is not based on that 700 votes, rather on the way how people think and comment that topic.

If we have two groups in the game, why don't you let each manager decide for himself.

1. showing skills + Playing NT/U21 Match = additional training + potential benefits + risk of injury

2. hiding skills = no training, no benefits, no injury

Sounds good to me

but it is really clear, that arcade mode is to simple solution for most users.

A competition official impossible that is an arcade

Raul, does those changes to player wages, stadium income, etc will be applied this next season? It would be good to get some info about that.

Yes, we will announce more info about it soon.
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I will ask again because you maybe missed it since I added this later by editing the prev post:

what exactly is your point or goal in these NT changes, can you specify that?

do you want everyone to be open for NT rivalry, sending skills etc.?

or do you want people who like NTs to like them even more / have more benefits than now?

Our goal with NT is simple - to not destroy interesting element of sokker, that is very engaging from early beggining of that game.

Then, lets think how to fix problem with injuries in NT, but without changes that will be devastating for NT community. I’m bit surprised, that link between NT games and clubs is so important for many users, but clearly it exists. So from that perspective arcade solution is to radical.

The easiest solution would be to delete injuries from NT while keeping some additional training, which will help smaller NTs
of course it would be against the no risk/no gain policy of the game

but if you won't delete the injuries, people who are playing competitive with their clubs won't change their mind about their players and will be anti-NT, because for them it's a nuisance - they risk losing training with their u21 players / they risk losing their top stars for important club game with adult NTs - they get nothing in return and I don't see how there's anything that you could "give" to make the risk worth it

I'm not sure it's "keeping the link with club", seems more like "keeping the training"... especially when said by Venezuela NT coach who trains his own club's four 19yo Venezuelan players in his NT
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Full Arcade logic for NT matches only one right solution!
Even then some users will continue to hide the skills of players, just because they can.
But, if u offer some better algorithm of form increase (maintence) for NT members, than this will solve the problem with hiden skills too.

I think that for youngest players problem is quite easy to solve. They get training bonus, if we will reduce chance for injury and its lenght in NT, there will be always better to get some bonus in NT, as it will be the less risk of all options for the owner, even if there will be still needed to pick up some aditional minutes in club.

Problem is with older players, when training bonus is useless for them. Maybe senior NT players can affect in tickets income (but only for active players), risk and duration can be limited too, but i guess there will be still some users claiming that is not enough.

Maybe option to block player to send him for NT is some solution, i still belive if we will increase benefits, there will be not to many cases when managers will not allow players to join NT.

i mean how it can be real???

Our goal with NT is simple - to not destroy interesting element of sokker

Maybe option to block player to send him for NT is some solution


just how????

I think that for youngest players problem is quite easy to solve. They get training bonus, if we will reduce chance for injury and its lenght in NT, there will be always better to get some bonus in NT, as it will be the less risk of all options for the owner, even if there will be still needed to pick up some aditional minutes in club.

youngest players don't play in NT
most at age 16-19/20 get their training at clubs

I've got zero "help" from NTs, they are only interested when the player is 21yo and they need him for first team in qualifiers/WC

I managed 95-96% at club when they were 17yo, I don't give a... damn :) about bonus training at 21yo

Problem is with older players, when training bonus is useless for them. Maybe senior NT players can affect in tickets income (but only for active players), risk and duration can be limited too, but i guess there will be still some users claiming that is not enough.

imo you can't make the benefits interesting in this case without breaking the whole system

Maybe option to block player to send him for NT is some solution, i still belive if we will increase benefits, there will be not to many cases when managers will not allow players to join NT.

imo some training + no injuries would be a less negative choice

I'm sure blocking NT players would create chaos in the forums, they think that the players belong to NTs and NTs are more important than clubs;) it would also create a problem with players blocking their players when their NT would play against the country of their players (for example Polish users blocking their Romanian players before Poland-Romania)

Maybe option to block player to send him for NT is some solution, i still belive if we will increase benefits, there will be not to many cases when managers will not allow players to join NT.

Do you want to destroy the small nationals?

Ok, if blocking is not an option, then one group will be unhappy.

We will not agree on bonuses without any risk, it is not how game should be designed and that opinion is strong among all devs. We have then only teo options, arcade games, ar current systems with some adjustments, but for sure some risk will stay.

yep, destroying game is my main goal here, no idea why it is still standing, after so many efforts :)
we are discussing now, i belive we can do it in some normal way, without so radical statements.