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Subject: »[info]Dev Diary #85 - New Schedule
Question 1: national cup games will take place in monday now? and the inter cup will be in friday?
Yes and yes.
Question 2: inter cup games are being displayed to me as arcade. I thought they would become official starting this season.
It's just a visual "bug". Geston has confirmed that IC games are official this season.
Yes and yes.
Question 2: inter cup games are being displayed to me as arcade. I thought they would become official starting this season.
It's just a visual "bug". Geston has confirmed that IC games are official this season.
I'm so confuse, I'm seeing 3 friendly, and 2 ARCADE GAMES where one is an Arcade Cup, I don't know what is it and the other is of the International Cup.
International Cup is an official game? sum for the training?
What is that Arcade Cup? https://sokker.org/league?leagueID=51531
International Cup is an official game? sum for the training?
What is that Arcade Cup? https://sokker.org/league?leagueID=51531
After reading the dev diary #85, I have to place a thought here.
You know, everyone is concerned and talking about injuries that won’t be changed even adding 1 more official game in the week.
One of the forms I have thought with myself that could soft this is the extra games revenue - at least 3 extra home matches. More money - a possibility of strengthening the squad.
And now I read that our matches income will be reduced by 20% average. Is that right? Sokker is trying to suffocate us all. Honestly, I hope this is temporary to drag money.
About the inter cup, for me it’s clear it will be the third competition for most, to put youngsters to play. If the objective of this game is to create a competitive environment for every match, I don’t think we are in the right way.
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You know, everyone is concerned and talking about injuries that won’t be changed even adding 1 more official game in the week.
One of the forms I have thought with myself that could soft this is the extra games revenue - at least 3 extra home matches. More money - a possibility of strengthening the squad.
And now I read that our matches income will be reduced by 20% average. Is that right? Sokker is trying to suffocate us all. Honestly, I hope this is temporary to drag money.
About the inter cup, for me it’s clear it will be the third competition for most, to put youngsters to play. If the objective of this game is to create a competitive environment for every match, I don’t think we are in the right way.
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I was hoping the owners will agree with shortening max injuries lenght, but not this season. They said maybe they will after that season if the situation is bad.
One of the forms I have thought with myself that could soft this is the extra games revenue - at least 3 extra home matches. More money - a possibility of strengthening the squad.
it doesn't work that way because there is the same number of teams who need players and same number of players available
if you add 10m euro to all accounts then all prices will go up
if you take away 10m euro from all accounts then all prices will go down
giving people more money won't make them able to buy more players
About the inter cup, for me it’s clear it will be the third competition for most, to put youngsters to play. If the objective of this game is to create a competitive environment for every match, I don’t think we are in the right way.
I think it will depend on teams
overall in the final form and with high injury chance I don't see people competing at high number but I might be wrong, definitely top top top teams will play for trophies because they usually don't train young players anyway
I will for now use it as training space so I can get better results in league
it doesn't work that way because there is the same number of teams who need players and same number of players available
if you add 10m euro to all accounts then all prices will go up
if you take away 10m euro from all accounts then all prices will go down
giving people more money won't make them able to buy more players
About the inter cup, for me it’s clear it will be the third competition for most, to put youngsters to play. If the objective of this game is to create a competitive environment for every match, I don’t think we are in the right way.
I think it will depend on teams
overall in the final form and with high injury chance I don't see people competing at high number but I might be wrong, definitely top top top teams will play for trophies because they usually don't train young players anyway
I will for now use it as training space so I can get better results in league
They said maybe they will after that season if the situation is bad.
I don't really understand what could that mean "if the situation is bad". They can check the data and see how many injuries happened over previous season only in IC. That's what the first edition was supposed to show in arcade mode.
If they are planning to judge "situation" by forum and by how many people complain then I don't see the point. Most people just decide to leave the game instead of venting frustration on forums. How many people write on the forum, 1%? Less? And people complained a lot about injuries even without IC. Judging by forum it already is a problem.
I don't really understand what could that mean "if the situation is bad". They can check the data and see how many injuries happened over previous season only in IC. That's what the first edition was supposed to show in arcade mode.
If they are planning to judge "situation" by forum and by how many people complain then I don't see the point. Most people just decide to leave the game instead of venting frustration on forums. How many people write on the forum, 1%? Less? And people complained a lot about injuries even without IC. Judging by forum it already is a problem.
About the money, I was pointing at the weekly cost of a better team with more options. To afford more competitive players in terms of salary is heavy.
I don’t think I have a super team, but my reality is that sponsorship + matches revenue are barely enough to keep the team just running (1st team + coaches + youth school) without make any investments in the market. That’s why I am concerned. Maybe it’s a personal view, but it’s like people say: no experience is individual.
I don’t think I have a super team, but my reality is that sponsorship + matches revenue are barely enough to keep the team just running (1st team + coaches + youth school) without make any investments in the market. That’s why I am concerned. Maybe it’s a personal view, but it’s like people say: no experience is individual.
Geston para Dr.MOT
I was hoping the owners will agree with shortening max injuries lenght, but not this season. They said maybe they will after that season if the situation is bad.
For me these is a a good evidence, owners don't have a plan, never existed. It's just a test and erro dynamic, a disaster buuuuut
I was hoping the owners will agree with shortening max injuries lenght, but not this season. They said maybe they will after that season if the situation is bad.
For me these is a a good evidence, owners don't have a plan, never existed. It's just a test and erro dynamic, a disaster buuuuut
logicly just cos they add 2 official games more in a week (for the first 6 weeks for most of us), after that most of us will play 1 more off game for the rest of season. they cant expact not complaining on long injury.. cos now you would miss player with same injury double games as before. thats the biggest problem. the proportion must be made correctly.
i remember when i set 15 20euros on roof seats and full stadium with 40-50k but they already reduced price few season ago..and now again 20% ( cos they add new official games :"D )
i remember when i set 15 20euros on roof seats and full stadium with 40-50k but they already reduced price few season ago..and now again 20% ( cos they add new official games :"D )
it doesn't work that way because there is the same number of teams who need players and same number of players available
if you add 10m euro to all accounts then all prices will go up
if you take away 10m euro from all accounts then all prices will go down
I don't agree with you!
I think giving more money to all, doesn't all will go to TL to buy players, at least in short term, so it will not brake the market!
Taking money from all means almost noone will go to TL, wich will definitely kill the market.
Looking at current prices on market i think the market is already dead.
Why shell we train players for 5 season if the selling price would be almost nonprofit.
if you add 10m euro to all accounts then all prices will go up
if you take away 10m euro from all accounts then all prices will go down
I don't agree with you!
I think giving more money to all, doesn't all will go to TL to buy players, at least in short term, so it will not brake the market!
Taking money from all means almost noone will go to TL, wich will definitely kill the market.
Looking at current prices on market i think the market is already dead.
Why shell we train players for 5 season if the selling price would be almost nonprofit.
I don't agree with you!
I think giving more money to all, doesn't all will go to TL to buy players, at least in short term, so it will not brake the market!
Well you can disagree all you want, but we've already seen that happen couple of seasons ago when they added 2nd league game and prices went over 25m euro, you can easily see the inflation happening after expanding leagues. It's not a theory, this is what happens when you add more money to the game.
Yes, most of the extra money goes to the market and increases prices. That's because most people can already afford top stadium / top players wages / top coaching staff / top youth school. If they get more money only place they can spend it is the transfer market.
Looking at current prices on market i think the market is already dead.
Why shell we train players for 5 season if the selling price would be almost nonprofit.
Please don't joke. Non-profit? :)) The prices are still too high if anything. It would be much healthier for the game if the player prices and training profits went down from current prices. It's possible to make 25-30m profit on training every season, this is crazy money, two times more than TOP teams earn in whole season from tickets/sponsors etc. This is what makes the game broken.
I think giving more money to all, doesn't all will go to TL to buy players, at least in short term, so it will not brake the market!
Well you can disagree all you want, but we've already seen that happen couple of seasons ago when they added 2nd league game and prices went over 25m euro, you can easily see the inflation happening after expanding leagues. It's not a theory, this is what happens when you add more money to the game.
Yes, most of the extra money goes to the market and increases prices. That's because most people can already afford top stadium / top players wages / top coaching staff / top youth school. If they get more money only place they can spend it is the transfer market.
Looking at current prices on market i think the market is already dead.
Why shell we train players for 5 season if the selling price would be almost nonprofit.
Please don't joke. Non-profit? :)) The prices are still too high if anything. It would be much healthier for the game if the player prices and training profits went down from current prices. It's possible to make 25-30m profit on training every season, this is crazy money, two times more than TOP teams earn in whole season from tickets/sponsors etc. This is what makes the game broken.
About the inter cup, for me it’s clear it will be the third competition for most, to put youngsters to play. If the objective of this game is to create a competitive environment for every match, I don’t think we are in the right way.
I don't agree at all, this is your point of vue.
Imo 4 official games + IC + removing injuries from NT games it creates way more approaches for coaches:
1) Will play for results (for most competitions)-> Definitely affects incomes IC itself grants you more money because of playing stronger opponents than you could in smaller countries affecting directly your ranking pts + fan club size, so i think some would opt for that option.
2) Farming and training youngs (again an option for those who love training players).
3) Choosing some of the competitions + training youths or trainable players still.
I think globally the game gets better some compromises from devs side (suprisingly) NT's going to arcade mode + injury removal from it. (no reasons to hide player skills). New update gives a lot of different approaches to managers and freedom to decide how to build and improve your team. All cards are in the hands of managers now.
YES INJURIES- They still are there and they are part of the game, in a perfect scenario if they get slightly reduced would be lovely + training spots 1 or two would make it nicer + Maybe adding 1 or two extra levels for skills like 0-20 instead of 18 that could also trigger more freedom to choose which skill manager prefers or adjusts for players that would be great.
I don't agree at all, this is your point of vue.
Imo 4 official games + IC + removing injuries from NT games it creates way more approaches for coaches:
1) Will play for results (for most competitions)-> Definitely affects incomes IC itself grants you more money because of playing stronger opponents than you could in smaller countries affecting directly your ranking pts + fan club size, so i think some would opt for that option.
2) Farming and training youngs (again an option for those who love training players).
3) Choosing some of the competitions + training youths or trainable players still.
I think globally the game gets better some compromises from devs side (suprisingly) NT's going to arcade mode + injury removal from it. (no reasons to hide player skills). New update gives a lot of different approaches to managers and freedom to decide how to build and improve your team. All cards are in the hands of managers now.
YES INJURIES- They still are there and they are part of the game, in a perfect scenario if they get slightly reduced would be lovely + training spots 1 or two would make it nicer + Maybe adding 1 or two extra levels for skills like 0-20 instead of 18 that could also trigger more freedom to choose which skill manager prefers or adjusts for players that would be great.
It is true that many approaches are possible.
Something that is also quite important:
Week 1 National Cup + friendlies = easy training possible without harming league
Weeks 2-7 National Cup/friendly + IC games = easy training possible without harming league
Week 13 3 friendlies = easy training possible without harming league
Now teams can train youngsters for 96-99% easily for 8/13 weeks in season, without the training impacting the league results.
That is a big change which I think is kind of overlooked and makes competitively playing in league while also training much easier.
Something that is also quite important:
Week 1 National Cup + friendlies = easy training possible without harming league
Weeks 2-7 National Cup/friendly + IC games = easy training possible without harming league
Week 13 3 friendlies = easy training possible without harming league
Now teams can train youngsters for 96-99% easily for 8/13 weeks in season, without the training impacting the league results.
That is a big change which I think is kind of overlooked and makes competitively playing in league while also training much easier.
Absolutely correct and cannot agree more imo (again globally) These changes rather are in favor of most managers, because with or without knowing it on long term Most Managers who play SOKKER will come to the same conclusion.
another aspect often overseen:
new clubs start in lowest division in their respective countries which are full of bots, i.e. low sponsor and ticket money. These clubs have had tough financial situations to sustain without bankruptcy.
The new IC competition will make it better because the new matches against oppenents with bigger supporter base. This will overcompensate the general 20% loss in ticket money.
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new clubs start in lowest division in their respective countries which are full of bots, i.e. low sponsor and ticket money. These clubs have had tough financial situations to sustain without bankruptcy.
The new IC competition will make it better because the new matches against oppenents with bigger supporter base. This will overcompensate the general 20% loss in ticket money.
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