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If you really want to compete in top level, you need to edit tactics and that's the reason why we watch rival matches.
It's the beauty.
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It's the beauty.
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"...rehearsed moves in set piece (corners, fouls...). "
How corners and fouls are carried out is a matter of the skills of your players and a matter of how you position your players. No change needed here on the game, but on your playing style. -1
Btw, because some people will ask:
# "skills of your players" : If you set on fouls a player with very low striker-skill, he will pass
## "position your players" : This is something I don't want to share, I've already shared enough information. ;P
PS @rapelo : I used the word "your", but it's not personal. Most of the users complain about foul and corner executions, about missed penalties, about red cards, about lost matches, about long passes, about short passes, about wrong passes, even about some injurries and they don't realize that their own instructions caused these results.
The tacic editor of sokker is the best of all games I have tried
and the only changes I wish are:
# Implement all elements of Terrion's sokker tactic editor SETE ([url]http://www.formulamanager.com/sokker/sete [/url])
## Ability of saving lineups (which player, wth what order on which number)
### Alarm if something is missed on the lineup (e.g. tactic deleted, player injured etc.)
How corners and fouls are carried out is a matter of the skills of your players and a matter of how you position your players. No change needed here on the game, but on your playing style. -1
Btw, because some people will ask:
# "skills of your players" : If you set on fouls a player with very low striker-skill, he will pass
## "position your players" : This is something I don't want to share, I've already shared enough information. ;P
PS @rapelo : I used the word "your", but it's not personal. Most of the users complain about foul and corner executions, about missed penalties, about red cards, about lost matches, about long passes, about short passes, about wrong passes, even about some injurries and they don't realize that their own instructions caused these results.
The tacic editor of sokker is the best of all games I have tried
and the only changes I wish are:
# Implement all elements of Terrion's sokker tactic editor SETE ([url]http://www.formulamanager.com/sokker/sete [/url])
## Ability of saving lineups (which player, wth what order on which number)
### Alarm if something is missed on the lineup (e.g. tactic deleted, player injured etc.)
# "skills of your players" : If you set on fouls a player with very low striker-skill, he will pass
Unless he has very low playmaking :P
## "position your players" : This is something I don't want to share, I've already shared enough information. ;P
I don't think anyone who has seen a couple of matches didn't realize that players without a mark have more chances to be chosen when passing the ball :)
Unless he has very low playmaking :P
## "position your players" : This is something I don't want to share, I've already shared enough information. ;P
I don't think anyone who has seen a couple of matches didn't realize that players without a mark have more chances to be chosen when passing the ball :)
If you really want to compete in top level, you need to edit tactics
not necessarily. There is not much difference between 3rd and 1st czech division in terms of tactical superiority or more active attitude. When I played the first league I often wondered how users with such dumb tactics can even play the highest league.
not necessarily. There is not much difference between 3rd and 1st czech division in terms of tactical superiority or more active attitude. When I played the first league I often wondered how users with such dumb tactics can even play the highest league.
i could do the research on how many % of users changed the tactics at least one during this season. I bet that the number will be very low. And newbies and their tactical awareness? Where is the beauty of the game if only very few users enjoy it?
Where's the fun if you don't need to learn
or doing anything?
Sokker tactics were one of the main motivation in the polls. Sokker would lose its differentiating point compared to other similar games.
It's the best part of game for me and one of the things that have made me continue playing. I remember a match where the best tactic user in Spain got 0 shoots because several users made a tactic especially for him. This is the special of this game, it's like a chess game.
or doing anything?
Sokker tactics were one of the main motivation in the polls. Sokker would lose its differentiating point compared to other similar games.
It's the best part of game for me and one of the things that have made me continue playing. I remember a match where the best tactic user in Spain got 0 shoots because several users made a tactic especially for him. This is the special of this game, it's like a chess game.
can you read my proposal again? really do you find it fun to create a new tactics from the scratch because there is no sensible template?
what differs sokker from other games is the connection between tactics and performance on the pitch. How would the proposal to adjust default tactics so they are not completely dull ruin this?
what differs sokker from other games is the connection between tactics and performance on the pitch. How would the proposal to adjust default tactics so they are not completely dull ruin this?
Maybe the template could be customized in 5 steps:
1. Select the formation
2. Select the defense height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
3. Select the midfield height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
4. Select the forwards height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
5. Select the horizontal relative position of every player for each of the 5 tactic horizontal positions
This can be chosen in less than a minute and you would get a pretty nice starting tactic. Then you only have to adjust it
1. Select the formation
2. Select the defense height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
3. Select the midfield height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
4. Select the forwards height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
5. Select the horizontal relative position of every player for each of the 5 tactic horizontal positions
This can be chosen in less than a minute and you would get a pretty nice starting tactic. Then you only have to adjust it
Yes, I understand it, maybe default tactics could be improved but a little, not more. Or something like Terrion says.
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I too believe that Sokker should provide decent default tactics for users. Creating a tactic from a scratch is too much of a pain and till now I've just created around 4 different tactics. Among them, I tend to use only 1 tactic repeatedly since it helps with my training regime. Also, of the 4 tactics I created, 3 are just variations of the original one. I haven't tried to a create a new tactic from scratch and have in fact stalled creating a new one since many days. The could also be because being in one of the lowest leagues, all my league games are basically walkovers for me and I don't have to worry about relegation/promotion. The default tactics that Sokker provides are too useless and it almost feels like the game forces us to create a new one. This may be a turn off for a few users who can't afford to give in that amount of time. Sokker should ask these questions to users:
1) Have you created a new tactic or use the default ones?
2) How many new tactics have you created?
3) How frequently do you change your tactics?
4) Do you change your tactic for every game?
5) How much time does it take for you to create a new tactic?
6) How would you like the idea of providing users with good default tactics?
1) Have you created a new tactic or use the default ones?
2) How many new tactics have you created?
3) How frequently do you change your tactics?
4) Do you change your tactic for every game?
5) How much time does it take for you to create a new tactic?
6) How would you like the idea of providing users with good default tactics?
If you set on fouls a player with very low striker-skill, he will pass
Nonsense. If the free kick is close to the box player is gonna shoot. This never fails to happen. Every time I see a midfielder coming to take a free kick close to the box, I know that there is no danger, it' just gonna be some sloppy shot.
Most of the users complain about foul and corner executions, about missed penalties, about red cards, about lost matches, about long passes, about short passes, about wrong passes, even about some injurries and they don't realize that their own instructions caused these results.
There are also people who gladly dismiss legitimate criticism of the game just to stroke their egos. Can you believe that?
I really dislike these types of comments. Being completely counter-productive just to feel good about yourself. There is a better way of doing that, win championships, it shouldn't be hard with all that "knowledge."
Nonsense. If the free kick is close to the box player is gonna shoot. This never fails to happen. Every time I see a midfielder coming to take a free kick close to the box, I know that there is no danger, it' just gonna be some sloppy shot.
Most of the users complain about foul and corner executions, about missed penalties, about red cards, about lost matches, about long passes, about short passes, about wrong passes, even about some injurries and they don't realize that their own instructions caused these results.
There are also people who gladly dismiss legitimate criticism of the game just to stroke their egos. Can you believe that?
I really dislike these types of comments. Being completely counter-productive just to feel good about yourself. There is a better way of doing that, win championships, it shouldn't be hard with all that "knowledge."
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about the free kick thing... I think It is more related with the player order and ball location rather than by its skills... so, I'm with james here.
I don't know if complexing is the right choice, but some additional features would be good. Conditional free kick is the perfect example, also moving more than 1 player at each time, and so on. But not completely sure about ball possession conditionals.
Also, I'm not sure about corners because the game is not played constantly over those areas, so what you figure there is mostly for corner kicks.
I don't know if complexing is the right choice, but some additional features would be good. Conditional free kick is the perfect example, also moving more than 1 player at each time, and so on. But not completely sure about ball possession conditionals.
Also, I'm not sure about corners because the game is not played constantly over those areas, so what you figure there is mostly for corner kicks.
1. Select the formation
2. Select the defense height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
3. Select the midfield height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
4. Select the forwards height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
5. Select the horizontal relative position of every player for each of the 5 tactic horizontal positions
This would be great!!!
As slavista says (but I dont agree 100%) you can create a tactic for one season, this depends more on the players you have, rather than the rival. In my case I like to change tactic if I am in great advantage or disadvantage. But when facing teams similar as mine, I use the same tactic and do small changes as Terrion said, this small changes mainly are in heigh of the lines, but lets say your opponent plays with forward defense, then you need to send back all your team 1 sqare all the players, it is a pain to move all the 11 players in 35 positions (11x35 changes) when you can just do it using 3 clicks as Terrion propose.
The beauty of the game is to find the weakness of your rival.
Terrion should be the tactic editor advisor of the game, no doubt!
2. Select the defense height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
3. Select the midfield height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
4. Select the forwards height for each of the 7 tactic vertical position
5. Select the horizontal relative position of every player for each of the 5 tactic horizontal positions
This would be great!!!
As slavista says (but I dont agree 100%) you can create a tactic for one season, this depends more on the players you have, rather than the rival. In my case I like to change tactic if I am in great advantage or disadvantage. But when facing teams similar as mine, I use the same tactic and do small changes as Terrion said, this small changes mainly are in heigh of the lines, but lets say your opponent plays with forward defense, then you need to send back all your team 1 sqare all the players, it is a pain to move all the 11 players in 35 positions (11x35 changes) when you can just do it using 3 clicks as Terrion propose.
The beauty of the game is to find the weakness of your rival.
Terrion should be the tactic editor advisor of the game, no doubt!
Maybe you can tell us more about "those users," add something to that empty statement that I quoted up there.
Explain all those things that you have mentioned, help the people realize their mistakes.
Explain all those things that you have mentioned, help the people realize their mistakes.