Subject: [idea] New schedule and competitions

Idea is helping weak teams grow, and nobody would be forced to take part in the cup.
I'm kinda getting tired of repeating this :)
You are repeating this because You apparently still do not understand.
Assume that I play in lower division with, lets say, team like I have now. There is new official competition, competition which would give me more training slots and competition in general and I am thirsty for competition because for now I have only my league games. So I really want to play in that cup, but I cant because I dont have so many U21 players, so I am forced to but them to play it and have more fun and also get better training.

Also, in terms of training, training young player is the right direction... Please let's not argue about this, don't pretend that somebody successful is training 30yo players.
I never said that there are anyone training 30yo players. I said that training U21 players isnt the only way to play this game, yet You kind of forces players to play using them (You may say that no one is forced, and it is optional, but if it gives additional training then skipping it would be obvious waste and everyone will play even if then dont want to have additional team of U21s). Moreover, this would make players switch to buy-train-sell attitude which is very, very bad.

But, it would be ok if there would be normal cup/league/whatever without age limits or if there is introduced official U21 team as part of the team.

Your issue with all of this it seems, is that I didn't come up with something for you.
Why would you want to compete in this cup if you already don't have youngsters is beyond me. Why would it be important to you to take part in this cup? Beyond me.

This is optional, and there could be more options.
Important thing to note tough:
1. CL; 2. National League; 3. National Cup.
This is the ranking of the most important competitions. Anything we add should be less important.

We can add short tournaments with somewhat random participants.
Let's say 8 teams, reward is tied to the rankings.
Tournament gets its own ranking (based on rankings), and if you win you get the reward and your statistics page shows the highest ranking tournament that you had won.
I think this would be interesting, not important as the National Cup but gives you an interesting achievement.

Also, I am not from Poland. Poland is harsh.
If you have an issue of having a solid team but getting eliminated from the National Cup too early, maybe you should try throwing some ideas for your benefit, not complain about ideas that should help beginners.

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Why would you want to compete in this cup if you already don't have youngsters is beyond me. Why would it be important to you to take part in this cup? Beyond me.
I want to compete in the cup since new cup might be added because
Also the end of the season would still be boring, only one game a week that might matter.
it is your quote - "one game a week that might matter" and now there is a cup which COULD change it into two games which would be better, but it wont, because someone decided that the cup is U21 only.
So I want to compete in the cup for lower divisions because I am in lower division, because it would be a brand new cup so more fun. But I cannot because I dont have U21 team and according to Your idea the only additional/new cup for lower division is U21 international cup.

Also, I am not from Poland. Poland is harsh.
If you have an issue of having a solid team but getting eliminated from the National Cup too early, maybe you should try throwing some ideas for your benefit, not complain about ideas that should help beginners.
I dont need special in-game benefits to cope with the game. But I want to make the game better because I can see it have its drawbacks and it can be better. Also, explain, how this idea will help beginners?
In my opinion this idea (not the whole idea, just the official U21 cup part when there is no official U21 team built into squad) will spoil the game, it will make users to buy U21 players, it will make them playing exactly that way. Even if it is not directly mandatory, it is indirectly mandatory because if You dont use that option You will lose: 1. fun (no cup, no fun), 2. sokker money (cup prizes, additional training gains) and 3. training - not gaining training is like losing it.
It will spoil players which will be buying, training and selling players instead of playing any other way they prefer because it is profitable, it gives additional fun and they still can compete because there is official U21 cup for them (its like traders cup).

But if You are suggesting in second and third paragraph that there could be more official cups to participate for lower divisions,
other than U21 cup, the other official competitions without age limit or any limits then it is ok for me and You could just write it at the beginning and I wouldnt bother You at all.

sviktorov za sir_james
that is true but we should not force is on all. there arcade games and other ways to make it fun for all
optional cups etc .. so as optional cup is solution but i think should be part of global solution of custom tournamnets

sir_james za sviktorov
You play only if you apply.

And yes, maybe more tournaments.
It is not bad to have some options when you get eliminated from other competitions.

Don't know why you focused all your energy into hating U21, when you could just add to this conversation and suggest some extra tournament.

Another thing. Where is this quote from?
Also the end of the season would still be boring, only one game a week that might matter.

Don't know why you focused all your energy into hating U21, when you could just add to this conversation and suggest some extra tournament.
Because, in your idea it looks like it is U21 cup or nothing unless You are top team, so everyone assumes it is the only option.

Another thing. Where is this quote from?
http://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/63355/ID_topic/3442198/pg/9#forum-topic-post-132

My comment about slavistas idea has nothing to do with this one. Also I mistook league for a cup, said that in that topic.
You shouldn't be misusing quotes.

I might change the pictures, if I find any will left in me.
I don't even know if devs give two shits about this, I thought it might be fun...

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EDIT ON THE FIRST POST: Changed the pictures, added text about optional tournaments.

Optional international tournaments - More can be added on Tuesdays, especially for the teams in mid and lower divisions, U21 National Cup, U21 International tournaments etc.
I propose the following (just suggestions):
U21 International Cup
Teams must have minimum of 13 U21 player to participate.
Full International Cup
32 -64 teams, group stage followed by play-offs.
Ranking of the league and the rewards would be linked to the ranking of the teams. Achievement in the clubs statistics could be added, "Highest rank of the won cups:----."
Full International Cup
Similar to Full Cup. Only play-offs, 8 teams.

I made a schedule for a 7 team group in NT qualifiers, but some games would have to be played on a different day in a week.
Two examples are in the pictures.
Most games would be played on Monday and some on Friday.
Same would apply for U21 NT, Saturday/Wednesday.

I prefer the first option, but I wanted to see how it would look if it was played in 10 weeks, like a 6 team group.

you put great efforts in this and this is admirable i really like colors and you are superb on details !
my concerns though as for devs proposal are:
- 2 game per week for NT too much will risk nt players a lot if injuries not fixed and no time for preparation
- championship mix in 2 days at the end will went to walk over games :(

tip and if we have nt games i like them as now on Saturday so that is possible in your version
you miss youth championship and it will be not removed

international and opt international +1

Yea, I didn't put juniors.
Honestly, I would remove them, I don't know if anyone is watching their matches.
They can still be played, I just hope they leave it optional.

Thank you. I always loved excel :)
Just a few ideas, maybe the devs can use something. Or just make it 2xspeed, 8 week season :D

my concerns though as for devs proposal are:
- 2 game per week for NT too much will risk nt players a lot if injuries not fixed and no time for preparation
- championship mix in 2 days at the end will went to walk over games :(

Try to keep an open mind.
Faster pace at the end of the season would be like the finals of the league. Top teams usually play against each other in weeks 12-14.

I also don't like two matches a week for NT. That is why I came up with this (first option).
It is not perfect but I think that it is better.

I like the effort you are putting in, but can you come up with options that keeps the one type of match on a single day? This would get a lot more Suppot as it is what people keep saying they want

First, I like this.
I am one of the people who would like even shorter season, this is supposed to be a compromise.
Also, a year usually has 52 weeks, so 52/13=4 :)

One of the rules I followed while making this is that the qualifiers and the round 1 of the league are not in the same week. If I added League/Sunday exclusivity, minimum would be 15 weeks.
I am fine with that as well, but Greg seems pretty adamant in shortening the seasons, so making that plan seems pointless.

How about this for the structure.





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