Subject: [idea] What users really want

Here you can find filter for only people who voted for 12 teams in league - only 27% voted also for 14 teams, thats why we decided to skip another poll, it just seams to much difference.



And here you can find same question with filter for only people voted for option 1 and option 1 with changes (so mainly for two league games per week) - it still looks the same, only 33 % vs 82% for 12 teams. We considered that perspective too.



We dont think that it's still needed to vote for it, but for sure 13 weeks will reduce multidevine players, its also slighty reduction of lenght of season - 3 weeks from 16, so 18,75%. It's easier for communication (4 full seasons every year). With 2 league matches in week it just fits perfect, i'm not sure what will that extra 2 weeks give us? it's mainly about NT schedule?

this does not prove anything for real question in how many weeks people want 12 teams

We dont think that it's still needed to vote for it, but for sure 13 weeks will reduce multidevine players, its also slighty reduction of lenght of season - 3 weeks from 16, so 18,75%. It's easier for communication (4 full seasons every year). With 2 league matches in week it just fits perfect, i'm not sure what will that extra 2 weeks give us? it's mainly about NT schedule?


I can send you anonymized responses on season length and you can see yourself what is the users' reasoning. I advocate against 13 weeks option because only 6.59% of users were specifically for this option. It would be meaningless If i had so much work with the survey and then ignore what people voted for.


58.24% (53) for 15-16 weeks or more
18.68% (17) for 14-15 weeks
6.59% (6) for shortening to 12-13 weeks
13.18% (12) they would accept shortening but did not specify the number of weeks
3.29% (3) they don't care

"The idea of a poll is interesting but scary as I am afraid achmid and sviktorov will try to manipulate the results and we will end up with a 30 weeks season." - LOL

So now you are scared of a poll being manipulated?
We fight for what most people and countries want, you fight for selfish reasons.

If we wanted to manipulate poll, we would have done it this round because it would have made the most sense.

Seriously, you act like you are 12. People who fight for selfish reasons have often been disadvantaged by others who have done the same, so I feel sorry for what your life has been to be that way.

I however in sokker and real life, fight for what is best for everyone, against people who do things for selfish reasons, and it's because I have had a good life, full of good people.

But LOL, you think we will manipulate a poll we don't even believe had any affect on the game. We don't even get to see results, or ip's they came from, it's just the DEV saying, this is what they said. We know it isn't what people wanted because we have evidence from within the game.

Just LOL

" It would be meaningless If i had so much work with the survey and then ignore what people voted for."
You did put so much work in and they ignored what people voted for

For a new competition
(27) New International Competition 61%
(9) New national competition
(8) Other changes in competition

3) Number of teams in the league
(24) to keep the current number of teams in the league 44%
(18) to increase the number of teams in the league 33%
(13) Under certain conditions, both options would be acceptable (8 teams in the league or more teams)

hmm no hard feelings I was just joking in reference of you accusing the devs to manipulate the polls.
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But that particular question doesnt work without context. it's the most tricky question from all you asked.
Lengh of season follow final calendar. for option 2 it would be obvious, to give 14/15 weeks. with option 1 it works for 12/13 weeks best.

That question should be asked after final calendar is chosen, thats why we didnt put it into voting.
Seriously, guys. No one is deciding about game attractiveness on that parameter. No one thinks "well, 15 weeks of season, its perfect, much better than 12!". it's always a result of competition system.

So we (DEVs) simple dont understand arguments, why with 12 teams per league we should still extend them more (+2) to reach 15 weeks.
We see only three possible options:
1. someone dont understand wider perspective, that other elements of game will follow that change (shorter injuries, younger youth school players, a bit faster training)
2. it affects NT calendar, but we dont se a problem here either, it can be easly fitted into 13 weeks to (max 6 teams in qualification groups).
3. someone is affraid, that players will be weaker, will get older faster and not be as good as now - for that argument - sorry, we gave you our concern - we have too much multi-divine players and it need to be reduced, shortening season is best way to do it without making training even more slow than it is now.

If we dont see any more important issues about lenght of season - we will be happy to hear it.

We really have 14 weeks, right? With week 0. Two less than before.
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There is no issues appart of NT wich you totaly ignores but that is why since beginning that solution was promoted and pushed by devs .
Problem now is not length of season cause season length is a function of game frequencies as you see intentional its not ask by me . We know that our limits are 12 or 16 stated by you guys from beginning so we need to see what will fit in those requirements .

So question at the end for every one is
12 teams groups increase or another competition and pros and cons about it
Obviously 12 teams is bad for small countries and good for big ones

And as you see if the length of the season was porblem majoity do not want break and you will add it since no one wants it ...


with current solution that was pushed and promoted by devs
Now problem is you promisse new competitions but with this solution you gave up on them in favour on short season that is the thing annoys me since poll one!
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+1 I think the same. Only thing is that all players will be worse. but that is what we want and it will affect all managers
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Nope, with 12 teams its 12 weeks with league and +1 for starting week, so finally 13.

Ah ok, no problem.

this solution is terrible. It is not a compromise, is a forcing, based on a very dubious poll.

try to do this poll, here, in forum, where there are people who know Sokker:

Do you want a 12-week season with 12 teams, without an international cup or with 4 games per week?

yes
no

I think no win with 90%
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championship reasons to be one game per week
i was requested to share why im so angry about the announcement of 2 game per weeks for championship so here will put key reasons not in specific order :

1 poll in my community clearly stated that and seems implies to small countries as well
after the news now several key users decided to quit
2. NT players will have so many games small countries will have more injuries because top players will be used more often so NT teams will be affected greatly
3. Properly prepare for the game tactically im against to play load default game no emotions no attachment - disfavour teams that focus on tactics then strength of the team
4. React on market if you have injuries or red carded players even with promised reduction still its a main reason especially with current market
5. Traditions in forum to comment the games on Sunday most fun part
in the week working people do not comment much during week
6. Failing to prepare for one game especially against your rivals makes your whole season wast so instead of speed up game retards you and with my exp wit other managers it never works :( so more compromised games -> compromised the championship
7. Rich/Strong teams 70--75 rating are favored vs 60=65 they will win easily against week teams 60-65 but those that are good with tactcis
here ratings are just example for status in our top division
teams with ratings you can beat but you can fail against equal ratings that will be walk over for rich teams
8. important the users that train nt will try to get 100% training for their youths so they do not stand a chance in championship in such format but they can win the cup - more competitions more chance for different teams to win


so i had this questions to Raul before results announce but i did not had decent answer and i have to be great full that is not 4 weeks calendar and its 3.... when actually is 4 with CL that may be something else at some point i came to conclusion that devs should not do this forum and do that they want and live with consequences...

and main reason a lot users i respect greatly and i have as friends from sokker declared that the will quite make me sad to think that we waist our time here

with less training in friendlies

Probably one of main reasons now in order to give full training to your youth that are not ready for main squad the will need to play half game in championship at least so another way championship will be compromised cause you can chose witch opponent to use youths .. so teams that do not train are favored

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so teams that do not train are favored

Really? How long do you think they can maintain that? No training? You don't know what you're saying.
Further more... Why quoting my answer from a different topic and a different context?

Cause it's info for training I will edit my post if that is your real problem