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Subject: [GD] 2D vs. 3D
3d would attract new users but it needs to be a good 3d viewer.
I agree, that's the idea.
3D sokker is not so bad, but never attract more new users... It's a pity because it was a dev time very consuming when we (the users) asked for many small game changes and bug fixes.
This simple observation should stop any attempt to bring back 3D again.
Technically...
Accessibility for most HTML+JS terminals (desktop, mobile, various browsers...) is not easy and consume a lot of ressources when complex animations happens. The sokker s resilience (i mean: sokker keep alive when loosing users during years) is due to simple and accessible technology. That's another observation.
Finally, stopping 3D mean more time for all other changes updates and fix that sokker needs ^^
Please not that mistake a second time..
DEVs can make all those changes, but without a good 3D viewer, it would be useless.
Gamers nowadays are used to great graphics even in mobile games.
You can have a great youth and transfer system, the best tactic editor.. but if the game is ugly, they will not catch their attention.
That's like having a Ferrari that looks like a Fiat Multipla.
DEVs have said their priorities.. Upgrading 3D should not be the most immediate, as you posted above, but in the middle term it needs to be upgraded to an acceptable level.
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I agree, that's the idea.
3D sokker is not so bad, but never attract more new users... It's a pity because it was a dev time very consuming when we (the users) asked for many small game changes and bug fixes.
This simple observation should stop any attempt to bring back 3D again.
Technically...
Accessibility for most HTML+JS terminals (desktop, mobile, various browsers...) is not easy and consume a lot of ressources when complex animations happens. The sokker s resilience (i mean: sokker keep alive when loosing users during years) is due to simple and accessible technology. That's another observation.
Finally, stopping 3D mean more time for all other changes updates and fix that sokker needs ^^
Please not that mistake a second time..
DEVs can make all those changes, but without a good 3D viewer, it would be useless.
Gamers nowadays are used to great graphics even in mobile games.
You can have a great youth and transfer system, the best tactic editor.. but if the game is ugly, they will not catch their attention.
That's like having a Ferrari that looks like a Fiat Multipla.
DEVs have said their priorities.. Upgrading 3D should not be the most immediate, as you posted above, but in the middle term it needs to be upgraded to an acceptable level.
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No you don't understand about tech and resilience. Sokker is not iOS android game or hardware specific. Its a WEB browser game. Many users sill playing because it use "low" hardware and it's accessible.
If you want to play FM, or fifa or anything else, ok. But sokker dont deal with those budget devs, these are not free, and these are not Web games. You cant compare at all.
Plus, not to say that drive usage is not a major problem, you really dont know. Processor, battery and memory usage is far more a problem to deal with.
If you want to play FM, or fifa or anything else, ok. But sokker dont deal with those budget devs, these are not free, and these are not Web games. You cant compare at all.
Plus, not to say that drive usage is not a major problem, you really dont know. Processor, battery and memory usage is far more a problem to deal with.
in the middle term it needs to be upgraded to an acceptable level.
It s need to send to the trash can.
It s need to send to the trash can.
DEVs can make all those changes, but without a good 3D viewer, it would be useless.
Gamers nowadays are used to great graphics even in mobile games.
You can have a great youth and transfer system, the best tactic editor.. but if the game is ugly, they will not catch their attention.
That's like having a Ferrari that looks like a Fiat Multipla.
DEVs have said their priorities.. Upgrading 3D should not be the most immediate, (Flash and mobile app should be) but in the middle term it needs to be upgraded to an acceptable level.
Exactly
Guys, we are only 10-15% of users who we were. Do you really think that changing interface and some things in-game a lot of users will come?
One of the biggest problems we have is that we have become outdated in all aspects, and one of the most important is to adapt to the current times of virtual reality. It's useless for example to have a very beautiful stadium with new interface if then you can't see it in 3D.
I always say the same experiment: show 3d Football manager (or other games I've said) and then show sokker 2d or 3d.
Sokker internally can be the best manager game but you will never attract many users in this way.
Of course, looking for me, I'm old user (like all of you who support 2d), and I want that it stays. But if you present a viewer so, many users will prefer another manager game, because they first look this type of things.
I understand sokker doesn't have that budget but it must be in the middle.
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Gamers nowadays are used to great graphics even in mobile games.
You can have a great youth and transfer system, the best tactic editor.. but if the game is ugly, they will not catch their attention.
That's like having a Ferrari that looks like a Fiat Multipla.
DEVs have said their priorities.. Upgrading 3D should not be the most immediate, (Flash and mobile app should be) but in the middle term it needs to be upgraded to an acceptable level.
Exactly
Guys, we are only 10-15% of users who we were. Do you really think that changing interface and some things in-game a lot of users will come?
One of the biggest problems we have is that we have become outdated in all aspects, and one of the most important is to adapt to the current times of virtual reality. It's useless for example to have a very beautiful stadium with new interface if then you can't see it in 3D.
I always say the same experiment: show 3d Football manager (or other games I've said) and then show sokker 2d or 3d.
Sokker internally can be the best manager game but you will never attract many users in this way.
Of course, looking for me, I'm old user (like all of you who support 2d), and I want that it stays. But if you present a viewer so, many users will prefer another manager game, because they first look this type of things.
I understand sokker doesn't have that budget but it must be in the middle.
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No doubt about it, 2D is better even though it may not look modern. In terms of tactics and analyzing your opponents, 2D offers you everything. 3D is just for fun, it has never given me any interest.
+1 perfect
+1 perfect
I really think that those of you who only want a 2d sokker have never tried to get your friends to play the game.
I think you have a very closed idea with 2d vs 3d, lately I have invited 5 new friends in the last month ... guess who is still playing .. exactly, none. And not because of how the game is, because the say that matches are too shabby. I also watch games in 2d because 3d does not differ in NOTHING to 2d.
And for the people who say that it consumes a lot of resources, I don't see any problem because if a well-made 3d doesn't work for you, I'd still use the 2d as you want almost everyone and there would be no problem. I also think that 2d is fine because you get used to watching games like this and you end up liking it, but to do a good 3d I do not say it for me or for current users, if not for what we are in this forum, which is to grow sokker.
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I think you have a very closed idea with 2d vs 3d, lately I have invited 5 new friends in the last month ... guess who is still playing .. exactly, none. And not because of how the game is, because the say that matches are too shabby. I also watch games in 2d because 3d does not differ in NOTHING to 2d.
And for the people who say that it consumes a lot of resources, I don't see any problem because if a well-made 3d doesn't work for you, I'd still use the 2d as you want almost everyone and there would be no problem. I also think that 2d is fine because you get used to watching games like this and you end up liking it, but to do a good 3d I do not say it for me or for current users, if not for what we are in this forum, which is to grow sokker.
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A simple , classy 2D is what we need :)
I really like current game engine . Even if you can just fix non-sense situations it will be okay :)
When someone slides from back to my player who is 1 on 1 with goalkeeper ı'd like to see a red card - not just foul or yellow card ..
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I really like current game engine . Even if you can just fix non-sense situations it will be okay :)
When someone slides from back to my player who is 1 on 1 with goalkeeper ı'd like to see a red card - not just foul or yellow card ..
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Time and money in 3D should be invested only if devs are sure that they will achieve something incredible. We do not know anything about current dev team maybe they have expert in that area but building something bellow avg like current 3D viewer will be waist of time.
In mobile version of the game i do not have 2D and i watch 3D cause i do not have other choice. i watch with zoom 40 to cover the whole field but still feeling is not even close to the 2D
You cannot feel anything close to what your tactic is :(
Core of sokker is amazing and it does not need to go in 3D games many direction it may bring users in short term but in long term the game needs to stick to his best qualities and improve them.
Do we looking for quick money users that will just check results and not spend single effort on tactics or long term user base that will remain in the game like those 9k that are still here ..
Im curios to see that result of the poll regarding age but i think the base of sokker are not the kids .
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In mobile version of the game i do not have 2D and i watch 3D cause i do not have other choice. i watch with zoom 40 to cover the whole field but still feeling is not even close to the 2D
You cannot feel anything close to what your tactic is :(
Core of sokker is amazing and it does not need to go in 3D games many direction it may bring users in short term but in long term the game needs to stick to his best qualities and improve them.
Do we looking for quick money users that will just check results and not spend single effort on tactics or long term user base that will remain in the game like those 9k that are still here ..
Im curios to see that result of the poll regarding age but i think the base of sokker are not the kids .
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I totally agree with you .. to make a 3d that is not good that they do not ..
`` I am curious to see the result of the age survey, but I think that the base of sokker is not the children ''
That is the problem of sokker, which is full of old users, that some of them do not seem to want to take the game where it deserves to be.
We all know that once you know the game in its entirety, that is, how the workouts, tactics, roles of each player work etc ... it is difficult for them not to start playing more regularly because it is a game that attracts you a lot. But today we are not giving you the opportunity to start playing.
One of the friends that I invited to play the first thing he did was watch a game, and he didn't even finish watching it, and he wrote me a WhatsApp saying: if the games are like that I can't imagine what the game will be like inside. .
`` I am curious to see the result of the age survey, but I think that the base of sokker is not the children ''
That is the problem of sokker, which is full of old users, that some of them do not seem to want to take the game where it deserves to be.
We all know that once you know the game in its entirety, that is, how the workouts, tactics, roles of each player work etc ... it is difficult for them not to start playing more regularly because it is a game that attracts you a lot. But today we are not giving you the opportunity to start playing.
One of the friends that I invited to play the first thing he did was watch a game, and he didn't even finish watching it, and he wrote me a WhatsApp saying: if the games are like that I can't imagine what the game will be like inside. .
It's true, they must be sure if they can do, obviously. If they don't have that budget it is better to fix the 2d.
Sokker has been under 10,000 users for a long time and most days many users are lost and no new user comes.
I think we're just thinking of ourselves, but we don't look for the growth of the game. But if you invest money you need to make a profit and with the current 2d or 3d for new users sokker will end in a few years, because we won't get new users to continue improving the game.
Sokker has been under 10,000 users for a long time and most days many users are lost and no new user comes.
I think we're just thinking of ourselves, but we don't look for the growth of the game. But if you invest money you need to make a profit and with the current 2d or 3d for new users sokker will end in a few years, because we won't get new users to continue improving the game.