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Subject: [GD] Match Engine

2021-02-24 12:14:59
- defender should stop usually kicking the ball out of play (good or bad skilled player !) for no reason (no pressure, short or long pass solutions)
- Implement new movements: protecting the ball, throwing themselves to shoot the ball, scissor kicks...
- Goalkeepers should change the course of the ball over the goal more often
- Fix the physics of the ball: it shouldn't stop so fast when it is rounding over the grass
- Skilled strikers shouldn't miss penalties so often, ratio of missing shoot should be corrected
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2021-02-24 12:46:07
-penalties should not be awarded so often
-pass quality should depend on pressure under the player with ball
- stupid passes backwards when you are almost on shooting position and no one around you .
-defenders passing back when no one behind them
-corners going directly in out
-ratio of offsides
- when player makes tackle from specific angel no one around him ball to go in unnatural position
-mind readers in game player goes where ball will be in 1m ...
2021-02-24 13:01:00
- defender should stop usually kicking the ball out of play (good or bad skilled player !) for no reason (no pressure, short or long pass solutions)
- Implement new movements: protecting the ball, throwing themselves to shoot the ball, scissor kicks...
- Goalkeepers should change the course of the ball over the goal more often
- Fix the physics of the ball: it shouldn't stop so fast when it is rounding over the grass
- Skilled strikers shouldn't miss penalties so often, ratio of missing shoot should be corrected
- penalties should not be awarded so often
- pass quality should depend on pressure under the player with ball
- stupid passes backwards when you are almost on shooting position and no one around you .
- defenders passing back when no one behind them
- corners going directly in out
- ratio of offsides
- when player makes tackle from specific angel no one around him ball to go in unnatural position
- mind readers in game player goes where ball will be in 1m ...
- strikers getting high ball behind defs and they hit it with head instead if they just leave it trough and run after it, they get 1 vs 1 situation...
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(edited)
2021-02-24 20:07:55
- defender should stop usually kicking the ball out of play (good or bad skilled player !) for no reason (no pressure, short or long pass solutions)
- Implement new movements: protecting the ball, throwing themselves to shoot the ball, scissor kicks...
- Goalkeepers should change the course of the ball over the goal more often
- Fix the physics of the ball: it shouldn't stop so fast when it is rounding over the grass
- Skilled strikers shouldn't miss penalties so often, ratio of missing shoot should be corrected
- penalties should not be awarded so often
- pass quality should depend on pressure under the player with ball
- stupid passes backwards when you are almost on shooting position and no one around you .
- defenders passing back when no one behind them
- corners going directly in out
- ratio of offsides
- when player makes tackle from specific angel no one around him ball to go in unnatural position
- mind readers in game player goes where ball will be in 1m ...
- strikers getting high ball behind defs and they hit it with head instead if they just leave it trough and run after it, they get 1 vs 1 situation...
- Players running with ball for 10 metres shouldn't just run the ball out of play
- Strikers who run towards the goal and GK from the side should pass more
- throw-ins should be more logical.
- Tackles from behind should never succeed
- Tackled players shouldn't fall within moon gravity.
2021-02-24 20:12:11
Do not agree that tackles from behind should not succeed but having more often cards make sense
Throw ins are most logical thing in engine ...
2021-02-24 21:27:03
The first thing that we coach players is how to get in between the ball and the opponent, so they cannot reach the ball.
You think it's normal that a striker runs with the ball in full speed and a defender steals the ball from behind without making a foul?
As for throw-ins... He ALWAYS throws to the player closest to the goal within reach, even when another player stands completely free, but further behind...


----------GOAL-----------
---D----------------------- Defender
--x------------------------ Highest player from your team
---------------------------
x-------------------------- throw-in taker
-----x--------------------- Free player, no opponent near him

In this case he should throw to the free player, not the highest player!
2021-02-24 21:47:18
agree abouth tackles from behind. Maybe just make technique more important

This will encourage managers to use a lower positioned defense line and create better quality of the match making distance of defense lines between both teams increase.

I find very unreal the success of tactics like 5-2-3, just because that high defense can be used. You never see this on real matches.

Some NT matches are played in the central circle of the field
(edited)
2021-02-25 01:02:20
tackles behind happen.
However, the chance of a foul should be much greater.
To change this, the defensive player must behave in a way that circumvents the attacker from the side.

2021-02-25 01:07:41
I think there should be two types of tackles.
An aggressive (high chance of fouls and cards, more effectiveness) used to stop dangerous moves.
Another less aggressive (less chance of fouls and cards, less effectiveness)
2021-02-25 01:29:23
I see a lot of suggestions, some would be great to see implemented but I also try to be realistic, some I consider to take a lot of effort in programming.

I am confident and hopeful that with the efforts being made to improve the game, these changes will come. I think it's a good idea to sort the suggestions in order of priority and to help the guys working on programming analyze this data.
2021-02-25 06:50:32
ruining with the ball on theory is slower than just ruining and sliding tackles are possible if striker is slow ...
parking the bus in low defense tactics will make the game boring
one think i will agree though 1 on 1 chances need to have better scoring ration
and headers from outside the box lower percentage of success for example
as super long shots.
2021-02-26 17:54:33
I made detailed suggestions about the engine a while ago in the other thread, which didn't seem to get attention from the devs https://sokker.org/forum_topic/ID_forum/63355/ID_topic/3439761/pg/2

As I said there, I think the old engine we had until 2014 was far better. The only necessary change was reducing the chance of scoring after crosses, pretty much everything else made the engine worse and way too random. So a good solution would be to go back to the old engine (I assume the code must still exist somewhere) and work on improvements from there.
2021-02-26 18:04:41
I think it's a very good idea to gather all the things to improve in ME :), so developers have it easier.
It would be better to have a separate thread (closed and marked) when all is said because ME is one of the most important thing in the game.
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2021-02-26 18:07:40
thats was a good one
2021-02-26 18:39:43
Yea, I remember that. Wings were OP, and they only needed to nerf that strategy. They did that, but made everything so random, and made matches worse.

They constantly need to work on the engine. This game was the best when wings were implemented, not because it made ME perfect, but because something was happening at the core of the game. It was exciting. I publish news about the game, so people ask me stuff about the changes. 90% of the questions is about the training change.
2021-02-28 00:33:38
(copy and put your point . only 2 rules : only M.E and less than one sentence.)

- defender should stop usually kicking the ball out of play (good or bad skilled player !) for no reason (no pressure, short or long pass solutions)
- Implement new movements: protecting the ball, throwing themselves to shoot the ball, scissor kicks...
- Goalkeepers should change the course of the ball over the goal more often
- Fix the physics of the ball: it shouldn't stop so fast when it is rounding over the grass
- Skilled strikers shouldn't miss penalties so often, ratio of missing shoot should be corrected
- penalties should not be awarded so often
- pass quality should depend on pressure under the player with ball
- stupid passes backwards when you are almost on shooting position and no one around you .
- defenders passing back when no one behind them
- corners going directly in out
- ratio of offsides
- when player makes tackle from specific angel no one around him ball to go in unnatural position
- mind readers in game player goes where ball will be in 1m ...
- strikers getting high ball behind defs and they hit it with head instead if they just leave it trough and run after it, they get 1 vs 1 situation...
- Players running with ball for 10 metres shouldn't just run the ball out of play
- Strikers who run towards the goal and GK from the side should pass more
- throw-ins should be more logical.
- Tackles from behind should never succeed
- Tackled players shouldn't fall within moon gravity.