Subject: Sokker Game Discussion/Doubts

No idea.

My Chanpions Cup match is due to be played on Thursday but the time isn't mentioned anywhere.
Will my players get training for this match in this week itself, incase it is played on Thursday early morning? Or will they get training in the next week?

Have posted updated on the new training.

New Training
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New training update

Next to last season's competition reform, this is certainly the biggest change and the biggest challenge our team has had to face. It is safe to say that with these changes in place, we will finally welcome the new Sokker that the development team has been talking about since the beginning of the work.
This does not mean that we will stop there, but the most important milestones have been reached!

CALENDAR OF TRAINING RULE CHANGES:

- [14.07.2022] this was the second-to-last training under the old rules.
- [15.07.2022 - 21.07.2022] the whole week from tomorrow until next Thursday is the last week in which the old training rules apply, remember to position your players accordingly.
- [21.07.2022] on this day will be the last training under the old rules
- [22.07.2022] on this date the new rules will take effect, this will also be the first match day to count towards the new training algorithm.
- [22.07.2022] the old training settings page will be replaced by a new one with the interface shown below.
- [28.07.2022] on this day your players will train under the new rules for the first time.

WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE:

At this link you can get a little familiar with the look and mechanics of the settings. The link is already working, you will see your players there, but until 22.07.2022 the settings made there will not have any influence on the game. This is just an exercise.

https://sokker.org/pl/app/training/training-setup/


RULES OF THE NEW TRAINING:

We wrote in detail about the rules in Dev Diary #63 - it was a while ago, you might want to remind yourself before the changes take effect.

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We have done our best to render the best possible version for you. Remember, however, that training is always the essence of our game and, as well as being attractive, it is also very complicated and difficult for developers.
We have to reckon with the fact that with such a major change interfering so deeply into the structures of the game, bugs may appear and there is no other way than to correct them during the current season.
Let's hope there are as few of them as possible!

And these are the rules

*MAIN CHANGES:
- we see quite a few new elements, some of them are used to set up our training, and some of them are auxiliary and informative.
- first of all, we have three new sections, which are, together with the new rules, described below.

* TRAINING PLANNING:
- the first of these is used for assigning the type of training for a particular formation.
- you can assign one type of training to each formation: GK, DEF, MID, ATT.
- it is possible to assign the same type of training to several formations.
- this allows us to train between 1 and 4 different skills each week, depending on the choices made in this menu.

* ADVANCED TRAINING:
- we have 10 slots available where we can assign players to complete advanced training.
- this training will be the most similar in effect to the current training, however, you will gain more flexibility and have more influence on raising the effectiveness of the training.
- each player selected in this section has to be assigned to a formation with which he will train during the week. Based on this assignment, the player will receive a training type that is the same as the one you assigned in the planning window.
- the more games and minutes a player plays in a week with the given formation (GK, DEF, MID, ATT), the more effective the training will be.
- the order in which games are played with different orders does not matter, all minutes from the indicated formation will count.
- it is also possible to select a player who has not played in a week, but his training efficiency will be significantly lower.
- the effectiveness can be additionally increased by playing in a national team match or if your team played against better opponents.
- to make things easier, one of the columns will show the approximate efficiency - this will help you manage the progress of your players.

* GENERAL TRAINING:
- in this section, we see players who have not been selected for advanced training.
- the general training rules will be very similar to the current rules for players who did not fit into the training schedule that week.
- as with advanced training, we can influence the effectiveness of general training by assigning players to a formation.
- the more matches and minutes a player plays in a given formation, the more effective the overall training will be.
- players who have not played in any matches during the week will not receive any general training.
- as in the previous section, you get columns with information about minutes played and approximate efficiency.

OTHER INFORMATION
- it is not planned to change the day on which the training will take place.
- the implementation date of the changes stays the same and is expected to be at the beginning of next season.

Published on April 25, 2022

So it basically means that the new training regimen provides more flexibility but at the cost of the max number of players that can be trained in a week. For example, with pace training with the current rules, I could train 22 players in a single week since pace training allowed me to train all 11 players in a single game. But now, there's a cap on the number of players that I can train, which is 10. Will this mean that now I have to buy only 10 trainable players and the rest of 11-15 players whatever the number, I can buy literally any players. Since training anyway won't matter to them, won't most users prefer to buy older players who are 30+ but with good skills to get them results? Which will mean that in the TL, players who are higher aged will be more costly?

Just want to understand how you all are going to go about strategizing in the coming weeks.

Thanks Kautuk. I wasn't aware of the changes.

- as with advanced training, we can influence the effectiveness of general training by assigning players to a formation.

What does this mean? Does it mean that if I play a defender in a MID position he will get general training as a MID?

This new system might allow us to train fewer players but we can also train different skills simultaneously which means we can build a really good 1st team simply by training good juniors. So I think those really talented juniors will be really expensive now. Also like you mentioned the older guys might also be more in demand, driving the prices up.

As we will be training multiple skills, it will also be important to have a head coach that is unearthly in all the skills we're training. It might be a good idea to have an unearthly main coach as well.

My Head coach:

Rodolfo Quintana Fernández, age: 56
wage: 11 085 000 Ft
club: Vasas, country: Colombia,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
unearthly [16] of stamina unearthly [16] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace formidable [11] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing unearthly [16] of striker

Are you selling? :)
Do the coaches skills also improve with age?

This is my head coach:

Mitică Piţurcă, age: 93
wage: 2 218 750 Rs.
club: Lagends FC, country: România,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
magical [15] of stamina brilliant [14] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace formidable [11] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing unearthly [16] of striker

I read that very old trainers should be replaced with younger ones. Maybe they will lose skills or be weakened in some other way.

What does this mean? Does it mean that if I play a defender in a MID position he will get general training as a MID?

It probably means that suppose for the formation as MID, you choose to train passing. Of the 6 mids in your team, you chose 3 for advanced training. Now, the rest of the 3 are not part of the advanced training but are part of the general training. But even within general training, you'll see the rest of the 3 getting better training in passing as compared to other skills.

It's similar to the previous system that we had. If you are training defending, midfielders and strikers will train faster in defending even though they are not part of the DEF formation.

As we will be training multiple skills, it will also be important to have a head coach that is unearthly in all the skills we're training. It might be a good idea to have an unearthly main coach as well.

My head coach is magical.

Daniel Ionuţ Pompieru, age: 80
wage: 2 156 250 Rs.
club: Pune FC, country: România,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
unearthly [16] of stamina incredible [13] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace unearthly [16] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique brilliant [14] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing unearthly [16] of striker

So I think those really talented juniors will be really expensive now. Also like you mentioned the older guys might also be more in demand, driving the prices up.

Yeah, we just need 10 trainable young players. People might not need to use the TL as often as they were previously using so I predict the transfer activity will steeply go down. Also, the quality of players in the market could improve and you would have to shell more money to get good young players. Many people might also no choice but to open their own junior school, which could further reduce transfer activity since youths from our own junior schools could be preferred.
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These are all my coaches

Mitică Piţurcă, age: 93
wage: 2 218 750 Rs.
club: Lagends FC, country: România,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
magical [15] of stamina brilliant [14] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace formidable [11] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing unearthly [16] of striker

Luigi Teelem, age: 97
wage: 2 008 750 Rs.
club: Lagends FC, country: Eesti,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
magical [15] of stamina brilliant [14] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace unearthly [16] of defender
formidable [11] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing brilliant [14] of striker

Gurpreet Varad, age: 51
wage: 2 508 750 Rs.
club: Lagends FC, country: India,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
unearthly [16] of stamina magical [15] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace unearthly [16] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
formidable [11] of passing magical [15] of striker

Godwin Pritish, age: 45
wage: 1 963 750 Rs.
club: Lagends FC, country: India,
magical [15] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
unearthly [16] of stamina brilliant [14] of keeper
incredible [13] of pace magical [15] of defender
magical [15] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing incredible [13] of striker

Who should be head coach?
I also read somewhere that age doesn't matter. People have coaches over 100.

And this is my youth coach

Baltazar Seńkowski, age: 90
wage: 2 666 250 Rs.
club: Lagends FC, country: Polska,
unearthly [16] coach

Training effectiveness as head coach:
unearthly [16] of stamina magical [15] of keeper
unearthly [16] of pace unearthly [16] of defender
unearthly [16] of technique unearthly [16] of playmaker
unearthly [16] of passing unearthly [16] of striker
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With that youth coach, no wonder you get so many good youths from your club.
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So after thinking for a little bit, I have decided to train 4 defenders, 4 strikers and 2 midfielders. I might reduce 1 of either of these and add 1 goalie but this is the distribution for now.

Another Update

Link

Dev Diary 66: Training - principles and guidance
struś 2022-07-22
A new training mechanism will be launched today.

Below is a description of the assumptions and a short guide, worth reading to avoid surprises next Thursday :)
In the following days, the below texts will be additionally inserted into the rules of the game and into the hints on the training page.
This process will take a while, translations into further languages and proper attribution of the content are necessary.




PRINCIPLES

TRAINING:
To develop the skills of your players, you can take advantage of the several training options available. The optimal choice of training settings and the correct assignment of players to the right rosters will be key to achieving success and training your own star players.
Remember that the ultimate success is greatly influenced by a player's talent, which is an individual and secret skill. Its value can only be estimated by observing training progress.

ADVANCED TRAINING:
The most effective training to rapidly develop selected skills for selected players.
- Available for up to 10 players in a given week.
- Requires assigning a player to the advanced training list and selecting the formation with which he will train.
- The player will intensively train the skill indicated for the selected formation in the "PLAN YOUR PLAYERS' TRAINING" table. Other skills will be developed only slightly.
- The effectiveness depends on the number of minutes played in the week before training (the preceding Friday to Wednesday) in official, friendly and national team matches.
- If there are no minutes played in the selected position, the player will receive advanced training at 50%.
- The real increase in a player's skills depends on the coaching staff, with the value of the coached skill with the head coach having the greatest influence, followed by the sum of the overall level of the assistant coaches.
* additional information under the "?" sign next to the list of advanced training players

FORMATION TRAINING:
In order to ensure the development of players who did not catch the advanced training, formation training is available, which is much less effective, but still allows some progress to be made and, very importantly for older players, prevents a decline of skills.
- Training is available to all players who have not been selected for advanced training and who have played at least one match in the week prior to training (any range of minutes).
- Requires the player to be assigned a formation to train with.
- The player will moderately train the skill indicated for the selected formation in the "PLAN YOUR PLAYERS' TRAINING" table. Other skills will be developed to a minor effect.
- The effectiveness depends on the number of minutes played in the week before training (the preceding Friday to Wednesday) in official, friendly and national team matches.
- In case of a shortage of minutes in the selected position, the player will not train.
* additional information under the "?" sign next to the list of formation training players

TYPE OF TRAINING VERSUS FORMATIONS:
Player skills are divided into two categories, positional and complementary.
Positional skills can only be trained for the formations corresponding to them, namely:
- Keeper - GK (goalkeeper)
- Defending - DEF (defender)
- Playmaking - MID (midfielder)
- Striker - ATT (striker)
what to keep in mind when setting up the "PLAN YOUR PLAYERS' TRAINING" table.
Complementary skills, i.e. Stamina, Pace, Technique, Passing, can be assigned to any formation and will be trained with the same effect for each formation.*
* additional information under the "?" sign next to the "plan training" table

EFFECTIVENESS:
In order to manage the training of your players more easily, you can use the information about the projected training effectiveness.
For this purpose, there are two additional columns in the training menu:
- Games (matches)-which indicates how many minutes on the formation selected for training and in which type of matches the player has played since the previous training. The higher the total minutes, the higher the training efficiency will be.
- Eff. (Efficiency) - indicates the projected training efficiency with the chosen formation. The higher the value, the higher the skill gain.
If the Eff. column shows "!", try to better adjust the position assignment or field the player in an extra match.
Remember that ultimately the speed of player development is also determined by talent and the quality of the coaching staff.

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GUIDE
The following information will be in the relevant sections of the training settings page - they will provide a quick hint.


Plan the training of your formations
- Indicate the skill to be trained for each formation.
- Skill types can be repeated for different formations.
- The skill selected for a formation will be trained more effectively for players with assigned training for that formation.
- Remember, however, that player skills are divided into two categories, positional and complementary.
Positional skills can only be trained for the formations corresponding to them, namely:
- Keeper - GK (goalkeeper)
- Defending - DEF (defender)
- Playmaking - MID (midfielder)
- Striker - ATT (striker)

The complementary skills i.e. Stamina, Pace, Technique, Passing, can be assigned for any formation and will be trained for each formation with the same effect.

Formation training
- For each player in this list, specify the formation with which he will train.
- The player will receive an average effectiveness training of the skill assigned to this formation in the training plan and a slight training of the other skills.
- The condition to receive training is to play any number of minutes in the week before training. However, the higher the number of minutes, the more effective the training.
- If there is an exclamation mark in the Eff. (Effectiveness) shows an exclamation mark "!", this means that the player in question will not be trained. Try changing his formation or fielding him in an extra match to reduce the risk of his skills dropping.
- The + button on this list, takes the player to the list of advanced training players

Advanced Training
- You can add players to the advanced training list from the formation training list by pressing "+".
- You can add a maximum of 10 players
- For each player on this list, specify the formation with which he will train.
- The player will receive an intensive training of the skill assigned to this formation in the training plan and a slight training of the other skills.
- The efficiency is related to the number of minutes played in the assigned formation in all matches in the week before training. Keep this in mind!


Important note: We do not intend to give all the information directly. As with the old mechanism, you will have to discover and estimate some of it yourself. Therefore, do not ask for exact calculations on efficiency, impact of trainers, etc. We will not answer these questions.

So 1 of my players got injured at half time. He received only 73% eff of advanced training. I plan to replace him with another player in positional training.
If I do that, I assume he will lose the advanced training for that match?

Also, we have to click on https://sokker.org/pl/app/training/training-setup/ to setup the orders right? Because nothing is showing in the traing page as yet.