Subject: »[info] Dev Diary #76: Nothing is Certain Except Taxes

That reminds me of "American Dream". The thing they try to sell you to emigrate to the US. But all the billionaires came from wealthy families with initial capital. And also had some innovative ideas.
None of that is possible in sokker.
Only the patience will help you, when waiting till all the old players quit. I am waiting 17 years for that now :D.

High wages it’s a « problem of rich”. Rich teams doesn’t loose much money until they swap in the market at times because their players re highly valuable. The poorer don’t have this problem, they just can’t buy competitive valuable players without loosing value (aka old players).

once again this is an absurd system, because even before reaching top league (and before spending much wages) you need to be rich by training and trading, not challenging. And i dont forget the richer farmer at low div who can spend millions on youngest, at low wages…

Again, it’s not a system that force challenge in the field, but in market and training (for market). it’s not very friendly for new and poorer teams.

of course iam part of the richer, i stay in lower div like many. i’m not pointing the problem to the richer team, i am pointing the problem to a lack of challenges when it’s better to make money with trading / training.

Knowing that few years ago when i began, and despite unique great Sokker features (ME, tactic designs) I would have stopped the game quickly.

Well fortunately we don't implement your brillant idea of increasing the number of players we could train to 22.
We then would be sure that the teams at the top.... stay at the top ! Brillant !

it was 22 but with a general training system.

Anyway, nothing related to the current talk. Spam as usual. It seems that admin s sanctions can't stop your pollution and harassment to users.

I believe that the best solution would be to put more weight into tactics, so a 60 avg team with well prepared tactics could beat a 70 avg team with poor tactics. That would give the weaker teams a chance to move up. I play with the same tactic for 5-6 years and that tactic was not good back then either :D. So weaker teams with good tactics should be able to beat me. That simply does not happen.
It would not solve the money problem directly, but would add some challenges and enjoyment to the game.

I have joined because of the ME too back then. Hattrick was too simple.

Sokker M.E is really good at reflecting the skills of each player, touching the weight of skills will result in more random and artificial results :-/ It will also becomes useless — even relatively, for the poorer/new teams — to buy better players or train them if the weight of skills doesn't matter that much. It's a simple, but radical artificial solution.

I prefer thinking in term of reducing skills gap between top player and lower by touching this with training progression reforms, not trying to solve the skill gap artificially. It is less easy and its need 10-15 seasons, but without serious negative side-effects on M.E and challenges.

Should I remind you what you were writing on the French forum ?

Je regrette juste que ça soit pas possible de former 22 joueurs"maison" tranquillement sans trader.

Bad-faith as usual...

Want to make it easier for new teams to be competitive?

At low levels, training should be easier than now, then wont be so difficult to get brilliant players. But at the same time increase the training difficult gained after each level.

It means, If now after every pop up, new level is 10% more difficult, then make it 15%., but lower levels should start with less training points.
Easier to get competitive levels at brilliant and harder to get divine levels

About tactic, iit is so unreal to play with 5 or 6 defenders in the Middle of the pitch, sokker players dont know how to pass to the void, it is missing triangle button.
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Plus it could reinforce the fact of training more balanced players. Not having 3x 17 striker but 0 PM, def and passing. I dont know a striker un real life who is 0 passing, what does he do on trianings then?

That does not make sense. These things need to be equal.

+1 with your training points.

+1 tactic. But quite the opposite, we could talk about the M.E "super triangle button" when you opponent play low def lines.

About tactic, iit is so unreal to play with 5 or 6 defenders in the Middle of the pitch, sokker players dont know how to pass to the void, it is missing triangle button.
To complain for 6 defenders,i can uderstand,its out of rules,its wrong,and when we see som1
win with this tactic we understand the random of this ME.
Some ppl congraz the guy who use that tactic,but they vanise when at the next match that tactic great fail with high score against.!
coz the ME is not always random...
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Some ppl play low some play high defence some both...where is the wrong of this?
Thats the meaning of the strategic part of the game.
To use ur tactic to win.Is not real life here,and we cant blame the mooves of skaki game,coz the
wars in real life are diffrent..!
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I think you guys complain for wrong reasons here.
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It was for nerozuro most not for juytt.
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Oh and another thing.
If i use my defence to play high...i will loose with many goals.
I believe you too.and many many more.
To play low u give space to ur opponet...loose is coming again.
So to use both tactics first of all we need the right training players,
and ofc a good tactical plan.

You take it to you because you play 5def in the middle ? You are pointing 6 def but you can't accept 5def middle M.E critics ?

Whatever its 5 def middle, or low 3 def line or whatever ... : No one should never blame a coach that use M.E at their own profit with success. Its' clear. I even congrats Hellas for its victories. But, in the other hand, it's not because someone is legitimate to play the tactics he wants, that we should stop to think about the M.E.

It's not a question of successful tactic or not.
5def in the middle, like Hellas tactic, result in a really poor game strategy and show. it's just a fact (at least for me). As a counter tactic, we can play lower to open the field but we have to accept domination and waiting a counter attack. Or we can play in the middle too, and its becomes a dirty and random melee fight on the front line.

With short "triangle button" passing, for sure, very high def line will be more risky, less successful and the game more open. Maybe it's not what you want, but @nerozurro solution is a really good point to solve this.
Also, absurd hyper speed long "triangle button" passing should be reduce too :-)

Now, M.E it what its is... And training reforms should be a priority. I expect all in @nerozurro s direction.
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It's not a question of successful tactic or not.
5def in the middle, like Hellas tactic, result in a really poor game strategy and show. it's just a fact (at least for me). As a counter tactic, we can play lower to open the field but we have to accept domination and waiting a counter attack. Or we can play in the middle too, and its becomes a dirty and random melee fight on the front line.

Yes, you know what I am talking about. Then If u counter with lower defense it become super boring game.

@Tolis, I think that best tactic is 5 3 2 (no defined wing) or 5 2 3,. And I know this is sokker, not RL, but the idea of a simulador is at least try to simulate that sport

Ahh guys guys...u never see teams in real life playing high in the field?
Then u must see more football games :p
The problem in real life is,that game is tiring and teams can't playing for a long time.(and risky)
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I say no to 6 defs,coz if we use them in our teams we loose week training,i think.
So if the rules of the game say no to some tactics and we win with those then
something is wrong with the game.
I dont mind 6 defs or 4 attackers,i like to play free.
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