Subject: »[info] Dev Diary #76: Nothing is Certain Except Taxes

We have not more than 15% of users that we had in the past.
Lot of them resigned after lot of years of play. It's important to reach them too.

For now - even on facebook profile we have more fans than users in real game... and the poll is promoted there too.

We are tired a bit with so basic explanations - if you really think, that we dont listen users and manipulate with results - sure, go for it, your rights. For me it's just a conspiracy theory, nothing more, its extremly bad idea to do business without listening of users. On forum we have most engaged, most fanatic part of sokker society. it would be a big mistake, to listen only that part of users. I think that some of users from forum just cant imagine, how it's possible, that if in very intelectual discussion between 10-20 users on forum can be not in line with results - well, I can. Just need to remember, that mainstream SK user is rather not here.

But, there is just different value of forum - lot of ideas and challenging opinions, it helps us a lot.

We need more advanced tools than SK polls, period.

And sure, if you want to change devices to cheat in poll - yes, you can. Only option to block that is to block access with email verification (and still you can cheat by using many emails) so we decided to take that risk, and stay with easy access.
But finally - voting is just a part of our work to evaluate ideas, we hope that none of you will cheat about it to manipulate results (and i dont belive in it, that someone will try to vote houndred times to really be able to infect on it).
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conspiracy is harsh word i would not go with that. People are more concerned that you will have wrong impression from those polls especially if they are rushed fast with not much thinking like mine :) see i admit when im wrong :)
Thats why im appealing for short news with more define polls. You can still do open poll but real info of people here could be gathered with current pool system. So you will have votes from here and votes from there... better picture. If its about fb fans fb allows closed polls for page fan members i think not very proficient in that . Another idea if you looking for old users opinion do mailchimp campaign with all existing emails in db ... but open poll :(

Devs do not manipulate polls that for sure but its world wide web :) crazy people are every where
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30, 40 active users and how many polish among them ?

Have you checked Polish forum?

For now - even on facebook profile we have more fans than users in real game... and the poll is promoted there too.

Being a part of sokker fb fan page I haven't got any notifications regarding your activity. Today I checked and saw you've been active over there. So, don't rely on fb.

Being a part of sokker fb fan page I haven't got any notifications regarding your activity. Today I checked and saw you've been active over there. So, don't rely on fb.

Notifications have not reached me either. I just checked the activity going there, but I haven't been notified in any way.

I mean on the international forum where the users posting there their proposals complain that they are not followed by some votes. Don't know what is suggested on the Polish forum

I mean on the international forum where the users posting there their proposals complain that they are not followed by some votes. Don't know what is suggested on the Polish forum

I am sure they live in a parallel universe.

im not sure if they are in separate universe but is true that experience is different in super large countries and medium or small once. For the 12 teams may make sense but not in our countries . But having 12 teams does not automatically means they want 4 games per week. So here results should be analyzed properly and one think i agree is the question for size of your country ...
so for me voting pool 1 does not mean i want that calendar if i say 2 or 3 games per week ...
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Let's rely on Raul's experience.

There are mixed feelings in PL as well. Some people prefer to keep 8 teams leagues, some want to expand them to 12 or even more. Some want to have season shorter, some to make it even longer. And Raul tries to respond to all questions and concerns on both forums. Trust me guys, it's not an easy task to find balanced solution that would suit everyone, but looking at his engagement I'am sure he does his best.
But for sure, there won't be solution perfect for all, but the best for majority.

For me all questions and responses should be on one common place here ..

you are very patient, it is a fact :D


thanks a lot, you are on the right way. I am very confident that Sokker will become an even better game. I infinitely hope that your work will be rewarded by commercial success.

Probably you are right, but it would cost a lot of effort to translate all of this. We have additional 44 pages on polish forum.
But I guess that polls reflect both discussions.
They really try to find the best solution for all the countries and remember that the main task is to grow in numbers everywhere, not just in PL.

thanks a lot, you are on the right way. I am very confident that Sokker will become an even better game. I infinitely hope that your work will be rewarded by commercial success.

a great +1

As much as we don't always agree with opinions presented by Raul and the DEVs, and sometimes in a big way. I do know everyone respects and appreciates Raul's input in to these forums, and replying to messages.

It is something sokker has surely missed over the years, and the game is lucky to have survived through that (which is probably one of the biggest reasons sokker only have 10-15% of it's glory day users, along with mobile phone games that allow for short term entertainment for a few months before swapping games)

Its not easy to make good for big sokker countries, small one, mid ones. Maybe 12 teams in league is good solution for big leagues, but maybe we can leave the league 8 teams and do 12 on international level. Maybe we do 12 teams in top level (big countries in 2nd level also), so then we have different solution. We all need to fit somewhere to be satisfied, perfection is not possible, and in RL domestic leagues are somewhere 10 teams somewhere 20.