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Subject: [idea] Helping small countries to grow
very very interesting data table, thanks for sharing !
I see france with a good ratio, good point (for me)...
I expect NT community effort (Ratio) should be gratified too, not only an exotic juniors toss from the weakest countries.(potential)
I see france with a good ratio, good point (for me)...
I expect NT community effort (Ratio) should be gratified too, not only an exotic juniors toss from the weakest countries.(potential)
But in France it's another reality :-(
87/193 (195 minus 2 because NT-team) is 45% and not 72 % as you wrote today.
I understand why ... 87 is only YS team playing in the junior championship ...
But i afraid to think that a YS not playing in a championship is perhaps a futur bot team YS, isn't it?
Or a YT with only 2 ou 3 players into ...
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87/193 (195 minus 2 because NT-team) is 45% and not 72 % as you wrote today.
I understand why ... 87 is only YS team playing in the junior championship ...
But i afraid to think that a YS not playing in a championship is perhaps a futur bot team YS, isn't it?
Or a YT with only 2 ou 3 players into ...
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Or just not playing the boring junior league... In my case that's my choice, i already win the (boring) "top" title challenge.
But in my opinion that"s mostly teams under 11 youngs... Since we've got no more than 2-3 good potential players usually, and new Y.S teams dont have enough money to keep much players.
But in my opinion that"s mostly teams under 11 youngs... Since we've got no more than 2-3 good potential players usually, and new Y.S teams dont have enough money to keep much players.
> About the details, I would say that choosing country of junior explicitly by user is a bad idea, or maybe not bad per se but could easily lead to negative results (users of Poland for example all choose Japan because its coach is also Polish and the want to help him, Japan grows, but other countries not so much if at all).
I think this could be fixed easily: the juniors coming from the international school could be a fixed number, and they could be distributed between all the scouts of foreign clubs. This way, if 100 polish teams go to Japan, and there's only 10 new juniors, 90 of them won't find anything that week. But, if they spread to different countries, they will have more chances to get a junior
I think this could be fixed easily: the juniors coming from the international school could be a fixed number, and they could be distributed between all the scouts of foreign clubs. This way, if 100 polish teams go to Japan, and there's only 10 new juniors, 90 of them won't find anything that week. But, if they spread to different countries, they will have more chances to get a junior
I´m from a small country and i don´t really like these ideas.
Practically youngs NT don´t belong to the country, i mean
For example 100% of Panamenian U21 are form Panamenian user, bring an importat economical income. If you allow every country can have Panamenian young "naturally", this going to affect this income and sincerilly that player won´t be panamenian because they won´t out from our schols, never get relative to this country although he have a flag.
I understand your position to help but this i consider NT must be a reflex of the country, and the destiny of every country must be in hands of his own users. I like this certain independece, feel like the NT belongs to you and your partnerts.
If you implement this basically no one panamenian user will get the posibility to have a young NT player of his own country because panamenian schools maybe not such developed like Polish schools for example.
An idea i would like to be implemented in the game (sorry if this part don´t belong to here) maybe would be the "natoinalization" of player that have certain cuantity of season in the same country or team (apply for Senior NT). Like ocurrs in the real life, for example with Diego Costa in Spain.
For example, I trained for 10 season a player from Denmark, maybe this player is not good enough for his natural country but he would be a great help in Panamá NT. Obviously with a limitation 3 "nationalized" player per game and 5 for the roster of 40 or something like that.
Regards from Panamá.
Practically youngs NT don´t belong to the country, i mean
For example 100% of Panamenian U21 are form Panamenian user, bring an importat economical income. If you allow every country can have Panamenian young "naturally", this going to affect this income and sincerilly that player won´t be panamenian because they won´t out from our schols, never get relative to this country although he have a flag.
I understand your position to help but this i consider NT must be a reflex of the country, and the destiny of every country must be in hands of his own users. I like this certain independece, feel like the NT belongs to you and your partnerts.
If you implement this basically no one panamenian user will get the posibility to have a young NT player of his own country because panamenian schools maybe not such developed like Polish schools for example.
An idea i would like to be implemented in the game (sorry if this part don´t belong to here) maybe would be the "natoinalization" of player that have certain cuantity of season in the same country or team (apply for Senior NT). Like ocurrs in the real life, for example with Diego Costa in Spain.
For example, I trained for 10 season a player from Denmark, maybe this player is not good enough for his natural country but he would be a great help in Panamá NT. Obviously with a limitation 3 "nationalized" player per game and 5 for the roster of 40 or something like that.
Regards from Panamá.
Many of the Dutch NT players are owned by non Dutch managers. To come from 'own country youth school' and sold right away won't make players more a national player as a player directly from an international youth school with the right name + flag, if you ask me. And those players can even be stronger as all other players of the national team.
Besides, youth income won't change, good youth players will always give a nice profit. If you mean players from Panama are rare and because of that make more money, then introducing youth in different countries is even more important because selling players for exclusivity is unfair. A clearly unfair advantage over other countries that has nothing to do with managing a club should be stopped, whatever the advantage is.
And more important, some small countries have just enough managers to fill a NT team with decent players, many don't even have that. So more players would solve the problem right away.
To show how normal it is, see for example these U19 teams in the Netherlands (double nationalities don't exist in Sokker, and should never be, so only 1 flag counts.) Nothing strange in football:
Ajax https://www.transfermarkt.nl/ajax-amsterdam-uefa-u19/startseite/verein/41580
Feyenoord: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/-rjo-feyenoord-excelsior-u19/startseite/verein/2862
FC Utrecht: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/-rjo-fc-utrecht-u19/startseite/verein/4694
The suggestion you posted, players changing nationality after an x ammount of seasons, is really a bad idea.
(In the beginning of your post you write NT players should be from own countries, and then you switch to neutralizing players.)
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Besides, youth income won't change, good youth players will always give a nice profit. If you mean players from Panama are rare and because of that make more money, then introducing youth in different countries is even more important because selling players for exclusivity is unfair. A clearly unfair advantage over other countries that has nothing to do with managing a club should be stopped, whatever the advantage is.
And more important, some small countries have just enough managers to fill a NT team with decent players, many don't even have that. So more players would solve the problem right away.
To show how normal it is, see for example these U19 teams in the Netherlands (double nationalities don't exist in Sokker, and should never be, so only 1 flag counts.) Nothing strange in football:
Ajax https://www.transfermarkt.nl/ajax-amsterdam-uefa-u19/startseite/verein/41580
Feyenoord: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/-rjo-feyenoord-excelsior-u19/startseite/verein/2862
FC Utrecht: https://www.transfermarkt.nl/-rjo-fc-utrecht-u19/startseite/verein/4694
The suggestion you posted, players changing nationality after an x ammount of seasons, is really a bad idea.
(In the beginning of your post you write NT players should be from own countries, and then you switch to neutralizing players.)
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The issue with the National team with the posture you are defending is about representativity.
Respresentativity would be lost, because no one user of little countries gonna have a chance of take form schools youngs for his own NT.
The real live and sokker are so much differents in this point, the people born in a hospital but in sokker they born in a club. In fact, is like your NT in real live was made for Mexican, Colombian, Bolivian, etc... with no parents from Netherlands, are there representativity there?, for me not because the player have no links with the country.
In the game, if any country big country produce youngs from another smaller, with the time 40/40 players from NT would be born in big countries, in what sense this countribute with users of the original country?. This would only create false NTs without interference from the users of the country in question.
On the other hand naturalizing players is a form to help NT with few potential through the will of his own users, is most representative train a player for 10 season in a country and become a NT player (as long as they did not play in their original country, in addition to other regulations that could be discussed), than born in another country with no links to that country and becomes NT.
Representativity is the most important part of an NT, its has no reason to exist without this.
Regards,
Respresentativity would be lost, because no one user of little countries gonna have a chance of take form schools youngs for his own NT.
The real live and sokker are so much differents in this point, the people born in a hospital but in sokker they born in a club. In fact, is like your NT in real live was made for Mexican, Colombian, Bolivian, etc... with no parents from Netherlands, are there representativity there?, for me not because the player have no links with the country.
In the game, if any country big country produce youngs from another smaller, with the time 40/40 players from NT would be born in big countries, in what sense this countribute with users of the original country?. This would only create false NTs without interference from the users of the country in question.
On the other hand naturalizing players is a form to help NT with few potential through the will of his own users, is most representative train a player for 10 season in a country and become a NT player (as long as they did not play in their original country, in addition to other regulations that could be discussed), than born in another country with no links to that country and becomes NT.
Representativity is the most important part of an NT, its has no reason to exist without this.
Regards,
In the game, if any country big country produce youngs from another smaller, with the time 40/40 players from NT would be born in big countries, in what sense this countribute with users of the original country?
So You mean that users of weaker countries have YS only to contribute to NT? And that "contribution" is usually probably just selling the player.
IMO the contributors are mostly ones who will train the player.
On the other hand naturalizing players is a form to help NT with few potential through the will of his own users, is most representative train a player for 10 season in a country and become a NT player
10 seasons means that it won't help U21s. Also, that naturalized player have 2 countries to play for so how exactly should one determine which NT team he should play for (I mean assuming he is Polish and Iranian so if he played for example in Polish U21 then he obviously cant play for Iranian seniors, but if he never played for NT because for example lack of proper form and he is great player now then both NT teams could call him up)?
This would only create false NTs without interference from the users of the country in question.
There is no such thing. No one or almost no one cares if he or she has young players from origin country or from some other country. They all want the best players and most of them wants their players to play for NTs but they dont care if it is their native NT or other.
I just don't see the problem that, lets say, Iranian users will get help from users from other countries to improve their NT. They (Iranian users) will still have their YS generating Iranian players, they will still have ability to buy Iranian players to train them.
So You mean that users of weaker countries have YS only to contribute to NT? And that "contribution" is usually probably just selling the player.
IMO the contributors are mostly ones who will train the player.
On the other hand naturalizing players is a form to help NT with few potential through the will of his own users, is most representative train a player for 10 season in a country and become a NT player
10 seasons means that it won't help U21s. Also, that naturalized player have 2 countries to play for so how exactly should one determine which NT team he should play for (I mean assuming he is Polish and Iranian so if he played for example in Polish U21 then he obviously cant play for Iranian seniors, but if he never played for NT because for example lack of proper form and he is great player now then both NT teams could call him up)?
This would only create false NTs without interference from the users of the country in question.
There is no such thing. No one or almost no one cares if he or she has young players from origin country or from some other country. They all want the best players and most of them wants their players to play for NTs but they dont care if it is their native NT or other.
I just don't see the problem that, lets say, Iranian users will get help from users from other countries to improve their NT. They (Iranian users) will still have their YS generating Iranian players, they will still have ability to buy Iranian players to train them.
one thing that could will make me quit the game if i spend 10 or more seasons building player and he is converted for another NT just do not make sense.
I think games will never be same as RL cause they have their own rules lest not make them more complex than they need to be ...
I think games will never be same as RL cause they have their own rules lest not make them more complex than they need to be ...
As the other 2 already posted before me, there is not much more for me to add to those points.
Only thing that I can add; I really have no idea from which youth school our Dutch NT players come from. If the name is Dutch (as it will because for all Dutch players the Dutch database need to be used) and the flag is Dutch, the player is Dutch.
Maybe with 11 managers in a country you still know from which managers the best youth players come from, but when there are 100 managers, you will have no idea anymore. And even with 11 managers I wonder if you know exactly who the first manager was (without looking in transfer history).
Only thing that I can add; I really have no idea from which youth school our Dutch NT players come from. If the name is Dutch (as it will because for all Dutch players the Dutch database need to be used) and the flag is Dutch, the player is Dutch.
Maybe with 11 managers in a country you still know from which managers the best youth players come from, but when there are 100 managers, you will have no idea anymore. And even with 11 managers I wonder if you know exactly who the first manager was (without looking in transfer history).
I don't like this idea and I give my reasons:
1. Youth school is the most important money entry for a team owner.
2. the most important objective of the youth school is to be a national team
3. this "help" greatly hurts countries with few users since there will be more players outside than in their own countries, this measure would help national teams but would be very bad for small clubs
