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Subject: [GD] 2D vs. 3D

2020-05-27 19:57:57
They all quit the game because the viewers were "bad"?
Or they just think that 2D doesn't look good compared to fifa or something?

Out of all the people that I got to play the game, only one played for a long period, and he was a hattrick user.
He was the only one who actually wanted to play a manager game, and he was blow away just by the existence of the match viewers. He said, "Man, I was watching fucking text in hattrick, now I watch an actual game."
2020-05-27 20:14:34
They all quit the game because the viewers were "bad"? Or they just think that 2D doesn't look good compared to fifa or something?

They analized all aspects but one of them and the most mentioned to me was when they watched a match. That's true, most of them they are used to FIFA and football manager, and when they see this is logical they don't want to do that big change back in time...
I always say them to try it, which is getting used to it because I like it and it's not necessary a 3d for playing.

Out of all the people that I got to play the game, only one played for a long period, and he was a hattrick user.
He was the only one who actually wanted to play a manager game, and he was blow away just by the existence of the match viewers. He said, "Man, I was watching fucking text in hattrick, now I watch an actual game."


The same happened to me, I came from hattrick and never played there again, but it was in 2007. There wasn't much to choose and this game fascinated me.

The problem is that, if you play hattrick first and then you see sokker, sokker will be the best, but if you start playing fm and then you need to see a match in 2d it's very difficult to change it. That's why I say that we are old users and we have got used to it and we love 2d, but I always have problems with my friends in that side.

I only have 4 friends playing now and two of them say they play because I'm still here (and news are coming) but they complain a lot about ME. They have been able to get used to 2d but they complain a lot about things like throwing the ball out without opposition. I have recruited more who have played but say the game didn't motivate them. But they all agree that 3d must improve a lot if we want to compete with modern games.
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2020-05-27 20:27:13
I much prefer 2D , it's always worked well and been easy to follow and see

For me personally 3D is just horrible and not enjoyable
2020-05-27 20:45:48
2D musi być stary
tak jak stara skórka
jak nie będzie 2D to tylko wynik zobaczę
gram 16 lat i to musi być
2020-05-27 21:09:55
Crystal clear!!
2020-05-27 21:43:06
google translate that @KRIGAN
2D must be old
just like an old skin
if it will not be 2D, only the result will be seen
I play 16 years and it must be
2020-05-27 21:54:41
I think he rather said:
2D must be, dude (in Polish 'stary', except being term for an old person or thing, means something like 'buddy' in slang; unfortunately he didn't bother punctuation so it looks weird)
just like an old skin
if there will be no 2D then I will be only checking the result
I play 16 years and these things has to be
2020-05-27 22:10:03
My opinion... Optimize the 3D... Make it stable. Have a complete overview over the field with a better camera view.
Have Cool replays with a closer viewer. Have "Highlights" feature with camera adjustment, pauze and slowmotion option for analysing the Highlights in a proper manner. This way, only 1 player is necessary, cause your optimised camera viewer can put a complete field overview like the current 2D. AND this way, you'll have an incredible viewer to attract new users!
I'm sure no one will be sad to see the current 2D viewer gone IF the new 3D player will be like this!
2020-05-28 03:08:54
@kryminator thanks 'stary' for the crush course in Polish :) we have similar in bulgarian but in specific context
2020-05-28 08:30:06
So far 2D is better,players rolling better in the field,and the most importand,
fit almost perfect with the tactical editor.

3D is like puppet show.
2020-05-28 10:22:25
+1

In the next thread some old users will explain us that the devs should not waste time improving the skin as the old skin is so perfect and so much better that the current one.
2020-05-28 10:33:56
Its about priorities.
2020-05-28 10:41:43
I know, I was just joking about what I read in the past from some old users promoting the so so nice old skin and criticizing the ugly new one. Maybe some of them are the same advocating for the 2D vs 3D.

Just let us have fun with 3D and improve it. Sokker is not chess.
2020-05-28 11:40:05
well even if 2D is perfect for tactic and a soccer management game, let's add and keep 3D for those you want. no problem with 2D+3D.

But...the only 'little' problem is that 3D, and better accessible 3D require much work, and we see in the past that 3D was dev time consuming for ...almost no result (more users); now some users ask for even more and better 'attractive' 3D because "it wasn't such attractive" : we can be very skeptical about this ^^
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2020-05-28 11:48:00
+1
2020-05-28 11:52:54
The problem right now is that both 2D and 3D are in flash. So both need to be reworked. My guess is that Raul and the other DEVs are trying to find our which one to update first?
If that is the case, my opinion is that they should start with 2D, which currently offers more to the game and also is way more easier to redo to HTML5.

Whatever they decide to do first they surely can leave the other available in flash till they get to it after the huge amount of work they need to do all around sokker improvements :-).